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OLDEST KNOWN GOSPEL RETRIEVED FROM MUMMY MASK, RESEARCHERS CLAIM
Breitbart/UPI ^ | Jan 21, 2015 | staff

Posted on 01/21/2015 11:34:40 AM PST by bkopto

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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, Civ. Do believe I overlooked that first thread.

R2z


21 posted on 01/21/2015 12:27:22 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: bkopto

Speaking of Gospel, as in music, two of the most popular crossover hits using Gospel arrangements would be 1. Love Me Like A Rock, by Paul Simon, and 2. Somebody To Love, by Queen. Both recordings, very well written and produced.


22 posted on 01/21/2015 12:36:32 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Resettozero

It depends how you define being the oldest. A Hebrew version of Matthew was supposedly written around 50 AD, which would make it the oldest. Nearly all of Mark is nearly identical to portions of Matthew. There are two suppositions: First, that Mark is simply an abridgment of Matthew. Or, that nearly the entirety of Mark was added to Matthew. The fact that textual analysis shows that the portions of Matthew that are nearly identical to Mark seem to have been written in Greek, while the unique portions of Matthew seem to have been translated from Hebrew into Greek. (Or so many scholars say; I’m no expert in either language.) This would seem to support the supposition that an early version of Matthew was supplemented or even largely replaced by nearly the entirety of Mark. Contrarily, Luke seems to have known Mark AND Matthew before he even began writing; he parallels heavily with both Mark and independently from Matthew, but where Mark’s and Matthew’s wording is often identical, Luke uses his own wording.

But why would the early church have replaced so much of what Matthew (one of the 12) wrote with what Mark (NOT one of the 12)? Perhaps when both Mark and Matthew told the same story, Matthew in Hebrew and Mark in Greek, the “publishers” of Matthew figured they should go with Mark’s Greek rather than translate Matthew from Hebrew or Greek. This makes even more sense if “Mark” was indeed written by John Mark, companion of Paul and later secretary of Peter, as the thought may have been that “Mark” represented Peter’s version of events.


23 posted on 01/21/2015 12:38:18 PM PST by dangus
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To: F15Eagle
Matthew, Mark, and Luke have such obvious similarities that they are called the Synoptic Gospels. The dominant theory is that Matthew and Luke both used Mark (and added other material--the material Matthew and Luke have in common is theorized to come from a lost written source known as Q, from the German word Quelle for source).

They don't say what part of Mark's Gospel was found. Maybe it will be chapter 17.

24 posted on 01/21/2015 12:41:58 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: F15Eagle
Matthew, Mark, and Luke have such obvious similarities that they are called the Synoptic Gospels. The dominant theory is that Matthew and Luke both used Mark (and added other material--the material Matthew and Luke have in common is theorized to come from a lost written source known as Q, from the German word Quelle for source).

They don't say what part of Mark's Gospel was found. Maybe it will be chapter 17.

25 posted on 01/21/2015 12:41:58 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: dangus

That pretty much dovetails with my understanding. Thank you.

Is it known or just presumed that Luke’s Gospel is what was preached by Paul? Did Dr. Luke learn from Paul or was it the other way around...or both?


26 posted on 01/21/2015 12:44:27 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: bkopto

I remember reading of something similar about 48 years ago. An team of archaeologists disinterred a mummy with a design piece of papyrus glued together over it’s chest. As they took off the pieces layer by layer, they found an unknown ancient Greek play which intrigued them about a brother and sister who had been separated when young. Years later they met, fell in love and were preparing to get married.

The rest of the article said the archaeologists were treating it like an ongoing soap opera in which they were in suspense as to how it would end! WE never found how it ended.


27 posted on 01/21/2015 12:47:47 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: lee martell

So much of pop music uses gospel arrangements.


28 posted on 01/21/2015 12:48:04 PM PST by dangus
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

WELL SHUCKS! Beat me to it!


29 posted on 01/21/2015 12:49:48 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Alex Murphy

It’s a UPI wire story, not a Breitbart piece.


30 posted on 01/21/2015 12:55:23 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: F15Eagle
There’s a theory that Matthew and Luke came from there.

Don't ping the Catholics.

31 posted on 01/21/2015 12:57:05 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: faithhopecharity
**original copy of Morton Smith’s Secret Gospel of Mark,***

The Secret Gospel. The only copy was found a few decades ago in a Monastery library, written on the fly leaf of a book published in the 1600s. The writing was in a 1700s style penmanship, but in 2nd century Greek.

The book has since disappeared.

32 posted on 01/21/2015 12:57:22 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: faithhopecharity

I have never heard of Morton Smith and the Gospel of Mark, nor have I heard of the unreliability of the Gospel of Mark. Can you elaborate?


33 posted on 01/21/2015 12:57:57 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Verginius Rufus

That’s not why they’re called the Synoptic Gospels. They’re called the Synoptic Gospels because they contain linear summary histories of Christ’s life, as opposed to the Gospel of John, which is more of a topical presentation.


34 posted on 01/21/2015 1:02:49 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: Resettozero
A good summary is here: https://www.lds.org/new-era/2007/01/who-are-matthew-mark-luke-and-john?lang=eng
35 posted on 01/21/2015 1:05:15 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Get back when they find an ORIGINAL copy of ACTS 29, or even the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ.


36 posted on 01/21/2015 1:05:22 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Hostage
It's not The Gospel of Mark it's the Secret Gospel of Mark which is believed to be an amended (forged) version that Morton Smith wrote or obtained.
37 posted on 01/21/2015 1:06:36 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: FredZarguna

No thank you.


38 posted on 01/21/2015 1:07:38 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: FredZarguna
"That’s not why they’re called the Synoptic Gospels. They’re called the Synoptic Gospels because they contain linear summary histories of Christ’s life, as opposed to the Gospel of John, which is more of a topical presentation."

"Synoptic" means something like "one eye" or "single eye" or "single view" or "shared view". It means that the gospels have a similar structure and share a lot of common material, even when they present that material in slightly different ways.
39 posted on 01/21/2015 1:10:39 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Resettozero

It’s not historically wrong because it’s LDS. Geez.


40 posted on 01/21/2015 1:11:19 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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