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To: smoothsailing
Lincoln's only available constitutional response to the lawful secession was to honor it and extend a hand of good will at the parting.

What clause of the Constitution is that?

It was the act of a tyrant, a truth he and his accomplices ignored, all in the name of forcing by armed aggression the unlawful restoration of the Union, a right no just government would claim to possess or such action undertake.

Right, because no country has ever put down a rebellion throughout all of history.

They inflicted Reconstruction on a wounded and weakened south to cause yet more pain and suffering.

Compared to the treatment of most defeated rebellions, Reconstruction was a model of charity.

Their desire for domination was insatiable and they instituted the arrogance and brute force of statism that has marched it's way through the years since and right into today's reality.

Sheesh. Hyperbolic much? I'll point out that if the US of today is such an intolerable tyranny, there are planes leaving every hour. Let us know what utopia of freedom you settle on. You also have the natural right of rebellion. Maybe it will work out for you. On the other hand, if it doesn't, we'll have to listen to you complaining about how unfair it was for another hundred and fifty years.

291 posted on 01/22/2015 9:03:06 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
We'll have to listen to you complaining about how unfair it was for another hundred and fifty years.

No you won't. You don't have to read my posts, or reply to them. Those decisions are yours to make, not mine. You're free to do as you please, and I'll defend your right to do it, as long as you aren't causing harm or breaking the law.

Which is a far cry from the behavior of Lincoln and his cronies and accomplices.

And if I've misstated anything, so be it. I'll stand corrected on sourced links or anything other than my defense of the sovereignty of the individual states. Secession was their right, and they exercised it lawfully. Lincoln and his cabal could have cared less, and proved it.

The Union was the instigator and aggressive party from the beginning.

Perhaps H.L. Menchen said it best...

The War of 1861 settled the issue of secession through brute force that cost 600,000 American lives. Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech: “It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense.” Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives “to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth.” Mencken says: “It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves.” Source

Some, perhaps most of the northern soldiers, believed in the cause they fought for and I don't fault them for it. I see the southern boys the same way. It's always the soldier who pays the highest price, and we should honor his sacrifice.

Your insults are meaningless to me, and only reflect poorly on you.

That's it, we're done.

293 posted on 01/22/2015 12:29:33 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Sheesh. Hyperbolic much? I'll point out that if the US of today is such an intolerable tyranny, there are planes leaving every hour. Let us know what utopia of freedom you settle on. You also have the natural right of rebellion. Maybe it will work out for you. On the other hand, if it doesn't, we'll have to listen to you complaining about how unfair it was for another hundred and fifty years.

Ouch! :^)

303 posted on 01/24/2015 11:21:24 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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