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To: DiogenesLamp
We have in the case of the first 150 or so years of the USA another example of what happens when you *DON'T* make certain substances illegal: not much.

And here you are lying again. [...] There were no laws against drug use

So no lie.

It's like saying there wasn't any cybercrime back then so we don't need laws against cybercrime now.

'Medicinal preparations of cannabis became available in American pharmacies in the 1850s following an introduction to its use in Western medicine by William O'Shaughnessy a decade earlier in 1839.[4] [...] As early as 1853, recreational cannabis was listed as a "fashionable narcotic".[9] By the 1880s, oriental-style hashish parlors were flourishing alongside opium dens, to the point that one could be found in every major city on the east coast. It was estimated there were around 500 such establishments in New York City alone.[10] An article in Harper’s Magazine (1883), attributed to Harry Hubbell Kane, describes a hashish-house in New York frequented by a large clientele, including males and females of "the better classes," and further talks about parlors in Boston, Philadelphia and Chicago.[4]' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States

the consequences of which kept getting worse

The available evidence says the opposite: "In 1880 [...] there were over 400,000 opium addicts in the U.S. [...] By 1900, about one American in 200 was either a cocaine or opium addict." (http://web.archive.org/web/20110529221013/http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/06so.htm) 400,000 in a population of 50M is one in 125 - ergo, between 1880 and 1900 addiction declined.

177 posted on 01/16/2015 12:19:39 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
So no lie.

No, it's very much a lie. It is a deliberate lie of misdirection.

By the 1880s, oriental-style hashish parlors were flourishing alongside opium dens, to the point that one could be found in every major city on the east coast. It was estimated there were around 500 such establishments in New York City alone.

And you are proving my point for me. 1880 is a LONG way from 1776. It is also after the Civil war, which is as I said, what primed the pump for narcotic drug usage.

I am at a loss to respond to this further. You just blew your whole argument out of the water, and I suppose the best I can do is to simply point out that your own citation disproves your own claim. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

228 posted on 01/16/2015 2:18:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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