I would take reruns of Phil Donahue over the view. Heck, Dick Cavett would be a step up.
#30 Dick Cavett Meets ABBA interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWyvZx7EEQ8
Read the comments about him. Spot on..
Ardent Fan 3 weeks ago
The worst interviewer ever, interviewing the best band in the world. What a terrible, terrible mismatch. If I was the owner of this show, I would have sacked the idiot producers for choosing Dick Cavette as the interviewer.