[Arthur McGowan]

A pre-born baby lacks the birth certificate necessary for the government to presume that status was conferred by its parents.

HUH?

I think you have "person" mixed up with "citizen."

A human being is a natural person from the instant of conception. Birth has nothing to do with it.

The Supreme Court GRATUITOUSLY asserted that an unborn baby is not a "person within the meaning of the 14th amendment." They reminded Congress that Congress COULD find the opposite, and that the decision in Roe v. Wade would then collapse.

[Talisker]

I think you have "person" mixed up with "citizen." The Supreme Court GRATUITOUSLY asserted that an unborn baby is not a "person within the meaning of the 14th amendment."

Nothing the Supreme Court does is gratuitous - don't be naive.

Person is defined in the statutes as equivalent to individual and varieties of corporations and government employees. That's just a fact.

A natural person is not a statutory "person." A "person" is an incorporated natural person, ie one with representational authority to, or of, a corporate body, including being an employee of the United States itself.

Birth certificates are only required of incorporated individuals, and establish a presumption of incorporation of a minor. Citizens are individuals who have pledged allegiance to the country. They are different from native-born Americans, who need no declarations or vows to establish their God-given rights under the Constitution.