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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clemenza; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; campaignPete R-CT; ...
I suppose it all boils down to the ol' "purist" argument. Newt had a lot of flaws but he also had a standing track record and articulated conservative limited government principle. I'd have voted for him with my eyes wide open knowing his flaws and gambling that on balance, he'd bring more good to the table, and I stand by that gamble still -- I believe he WOULD have, though I also know he would have angered and disappointed me in other areas, such as the global warming hoax.

Santorum, on the other hand, really had ZERO to recommend him and in fact, his incessant use of the ugly, divisive, devious "family values" indicated that he would do quite a lot to make folks regret voting for him. I make a living in language and especially recognize empty "fluff" when I see it, and Santorum's campaign was very heavy on the feel-good happy talk such as "family values." That is a VERY large red flag, a huge warning, because it means that the person using it is only using it because he doesn't have anything substantial to offer and is deceitful about it.

During the '08 campaign,, I asked many Santorum supporters: What is the difference between "family values" and "Christian values" and if they are the same, why not call them "Christian" values? I never got an answer.

Here's what Santorum was doing with that phrase: he was using it as code for "Christian values" and he was also using it as a dig against Gingrich, implying that Santorum was a "better" person because he hadn't been divorced. That phrase "family values" ALSO alienated tens of thousands of conservative Americans who either don't have families or who don't focus their lives around their kids and grandkids. Santorum, with his constant "family values" moralizing, was implying that people who DON'T have families are of lesser value, inferior Christians, second-class Americans.

Rick Santorum was, in my opinion, a nattering moralizing church-lady socialist who wore his Christianity on his sleeve as a badge of "conservatism." He talked a lot about who was/is to blame for America's moral malaise (not him, of course! But everyone else). Gingrich didn't blame anybody; instead he talked a lot about how to REDUCE GOVERNMENT.

I will now consistently reject a devious manipulator of language and grower of government like Santorum, even if -- especially if -- he presumes to represent "Republican" and "Christian." He is a haughty, pride-filled Christian and that stinks. Santorum FOUGHT AGAINST cuts in food stamps -- he wanted to keep them going strong. Santorum was and is all for government usurping from individuals their moral, Christian duty of charity -- please, re-read his quotes in post 109 above.

Charity is a MORAL act on two fronts. It requires sacrifice and mercy on the part of the giver, and because the receiver knows this (that's why NOBODY likes to be an object of charity), it requires gratitude and obligation on the part of the receiver. It is a MORAL act and the Christian bible says it is REQUIRED.

When Santorum uses government to provide charity, he turns it into an AMORAL act and evil results from it. He makes slaves of taxpayers and entitled dependents of receivers, and removes all morality from the equation. That's what happens when government takes over moral duties such as charity: they become AMORAL, without reference to morality, and evil results.

There is no voluntary sacrifice or mercy involved from the givers of "government charity" because they are FORCED, via taxation, to fund it, and morality is entirely REMOVED. Likewise on the receiving end -- gratitude and obligation among people who receive government charity is at best symbolic; in fact and in truth, receivers become ENTITLED to the forced fruit of others' labors. We see what results when government presumes to take over the duty of charity and turns a moral act into an IMMORAL act, that is, without reference to morality. Ferguson, anyone?

Again, compared, clearly Gingrich was the far better choice morally and politically. Gingrich was a humbled sinner; Santorum was a holier-than-thou altar boy.

121 posted on 01/13/2015 9:38:01 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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We see what results when government presumes to take over the duty of charity and turns a moral act into an AMORAL act, that is, without reference to morality. Ferguson, anyone?

123 posted on 01/13/2015 9:44:50 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clemenza; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; campaignPete R-CT; ..

You nailed some of the main points - which is that Newt was able to articulate what we believed, and was making that the focus of his campaign. Newt, flaws admitted - also had the most successful track record of implementing conservatism than any of them. And third, ALL of us - 100% of us - knew of Newt’s flaws and decided that based on the above reasons, he was the best choice.

It was the low information Santorum supporters who would come to FR daily and bring up some part of newt’s past as if no one knew about it. The Newt supporters readily admitted his flaws. The Santorum supporters STILL haven’t figured out that Rick is a big gov weenie who is socially conservative.


126 posted on 01/13/2015 10:18:52 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Finny; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clemenza; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; stephenjohnbanker
RE:”Again, compared, clearly Gingrich was the far better choice morally and politically. Gingrich was a humbled sinner; Santorum was a holier-than-thou altar boy”

Humble Newt?? His head is bigger than the US capital

But he has friends in high places,


136 posted on 01/13/2015 5:54:17 PM PST by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Finny; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clemenza; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy
I hate to rehash this stuff but Newt, Santorum, Cain, Bachman were all losers and had no chance of beating Romney let alone Obama.
Newt and Santorum both were booted out of congress (Technically Newt resigned, but so did Nixon)

On paper Perry looked like he could beat Romney but he couldn't handle the camera.

We better get better alternatives than them or 2016 will be another disaster,

138 posted on 01/13/2015 6:12:17 PM PST by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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