“It’s free folks. Free I tell you!” Posted on 01/09/2015 8:16:23 AM PST by Hardens Hollow
The regs were specifically designed to kill off at least 25% of all for-profit colleges. Indeed, the Dept of Ed actually justified in an internal memo the stated goal of eliminating 25% of all such colleges, working backwards to hit that number.
So the Department of Education simply waited for the new Reid-packed DC Court and simply re-issued the same regs for 2014.
Meanwhile, 2-year for-profit colleges, which are disproportionally attended by black and other minorities for vocational training for actual jobs that employers want to hire, gets it in the neck.
With one hand Obama giveth, and with the other he taketh away.
“It’s free folks. Free I tell you!” I suspect that the management and instructors of those institutions are far less likely to be Democrat contributors compared to colleges and universities.
In the “Big Education” machine, colleges are the transfer mechanism from taxpayer subsidized student dollars to Democrat contributions.
Obama’s Community College scam highlights a major problem with the welfare state that as consistently occurred in out socialist states and one which we are seeing become increasingly prevalent in the United States.
In a welfare state, the original goal of covering the needs of the poor and needy are quickly overwhelmed with the wants of lazy and greedy and so politicians respond by pounding more and more government money down the bottomless fiscal black hole of welfare spending .
As welfare spending overwhelms the budget, it drains away the money previously spent on the traditional responsibilities of government such as maintaining road, highways, bridges, water and sewer infrastructure, public buildings and other expensive to maintain public infrastructure .
Welfare spending also guts spending on civic projects such as state government subsidized free or low cost Community College and University.
In the state I grew up education was a priority and Community College tuition was free for those needed it and tuition for the states 4 year Universities was so highly subsidized that it cost about a quarter of what it does today in inflation adjusted dollars.
Now, due to massive social spending, our college system is no longer as well subsidized and as a consequence our Community College system tuition costs are no longer free but are comparable in costs to what the tuition used to be for the four year Universities.
Tuition costs for the four year schools has just about quadrupled in inflation adjusted dollars as Social Welfare spending has gutted the state budget of funds previously used to subsidize the costs of tuition payments of in state resident students.
The money once spent of subsidized higher education is now being spent on a fraud ridden welfare spending system sees welfare recipients receiving multiple welfare payments under multiple fraudulent identities.
The roads are not in nearly in as good of condition as they use to be either.
From what I’ve seen on Watters World, most Ivy League degrees are worthless also.
The 20% completion stat is very misleading.
Most People that attend Community College are either Parents, Full Time employees or others that are non traditional students.
The 20% most likely are the 17-18 years olds attending to save big bucks versus taking the same courses at U. of Whomever at 3-10 times the cost.
In MA if you score high enough on the standardized tests for high school seniors, you get free tuition at Mass State colleges.
Do you get free room and board? Free lab fees? Free books?
Nope.
The scam here is that in most states, some form of this already exists. The other part is that tuition to community colleges is very, very low for people WITHOUT any assistance.
College at many schools can be picked up by joining the National Guard. Do that for a couple of years and you can transfer over to ROTC and your dates of service are better than your peers.
Back in the day (early 80’s) we had guys join the National Guard as freshmen in college, and they were commissioned in the guard mid way through their Junior year. It was hilarious watching the LTs walking down to their cars with their bars on, having all of the Senior Cadets having to salute them.
That probably doesn’t happen any more. But it was a great way to get a jump on your ROTC peers.
Yep. Of a total bill of about $6k (excluding room and board), the scholarship is worth $1k. Still, it's cheap, cheap, cheap, which is my family's sole criteria for selecting a college, by necessity.
so if one needs a c+ average, there will be more pressure on professors for grade inflation...AND with more students, there will be demands for more employees, resulting in steep increases in costs.
and hows abotu the poor kid paying fuyll freight sittting alongside a freeloader?
My daughter did two years of CC and commuted. It’s was cheap enough to pay on my Amex card every semester. Then she transferred to a decent private 4 year college. She kept commuting and kept her job. She is “burdened” with about 1/8th the student loan debt as her peers.
It doesn’t have to be a huge burden.
Many parents and counsellors make kids feel they have to get into the “right” school. My daughter had it planned from the start of her junior year of HS. As such, she could skip all of the Junior/Senior testing and angst.
And, she graduated from college with a BS in. Good field and a job where she interned.
Almost as much as what they're saving on their healthcare, after Obamacare!
“In MA if you score high enough on the standardized tests for high school seniors, you get free tuition at Mass State colleges.”
A lot of states seem to do that. I have no problem with grade-based stuff like that. I survived by getting scholarships to get an engineering degree. Earning help by having a high GPA is one thing, but giving just anyone money for nothing is a waste. At least those that have the higher GPAs are likely to graduate and get a job. Verses, grants where you get money just because you are poor. I knew a girl who got grants - and actually got an extra $1000 just for going to school. She never graduated, of course.
I think those getting help that are in the service or pre-service (ROTC) is good too - those are the ones more likely to use the education as well.
What is Watters World?
Seems to me - and I’m basing this on no data or facts at all, LOL - that it matters WHAT the degree is in, not where it is from. Liberal arts degrees are a dime a dozen.
I got an engineering degree 20+ years ago. Then decided a few years ago to get a teaching certificate. The lack of intelligence needed to get an A in the teaching classes was amazing. I kept thinking I was more at a middle school level than college!
Interesting history and correlation of social service spending vs. education. I never thought of it that way.
IMO, Obama is spending in all areas excessively, in order to collapse the system (Cloward-Pivan). Seems every day there is something new that pushes that agenda forward at light speed.
“The 20% completion stat is very misleading.
Most People that attend Community College are either Parents, Full Time employees or others that are non traditional students.
The 20% most likely are the 17-18 years olds attending to save big bucks versus taking the same courses at U. of Whomever at 3-10 times the cost.”
Do you mean the 20% number should be higher or lower?
A Harvard MBA or JD is the golden ticket.
Some other Ivy MBA or JD programs get you the silver ticket.
Beyond that you’re on par with everybody else with diploma.
Excellent post!
Cloward-Pivan is being implemented step by step. I believe we are already a fascist state, but it will get worse.
I just hope the sheeple notice it eventually. And quit being sheep.
One of my daughter’s “friends” used their student loan to buy a girlfriend a piece of jewelry. Not an engagement ring ( which would still be improper) but a valentine’s day gift.
He was soon out of school. No girlfriend. No jewel. No money.
Those fools are always around. While you sometimes loan money to fools, I would prefer to make that plan on my own, and not have the State do it for me.
“We haven’t been infiltrated by a great number of lefties (like say, Asheville N.C.). The mountains being close by is an added bonus. Welcome.”
We picked an area that is, shall we say, economically disadvanged - figuring it wouldn’t be a magnet for illegals or liberals. But the folks we’ve met are salt of the earth and distrusting of Big Government.
Your voting record in East Tennessee is pretty stellar too.
Our new (but old and needing updating) house on 18 acres is less than 5 miles from 2 trailheads! I can’t wait. And it’s about 10 miles to the AT trailhead and a lake. Your scenery there is about as pretty as any I’ve seen - and we had a cabin in the Sierras and I’ve taken a train through the Alps. It’s like a little piece of heaven. I hope as Obama destroys the country, our area stays as it is. And the folks fight back. The number of gun safes we saw in houses we are looking at bodes well!
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