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To: vette6387

My point, perhaps made with a bit of hyperbole, is that California is not in a healthy fiscal situation.

Productive citizens and businesses are fleeing for places like Texas and Florida, while at the same time illegal aliens are invading—and getting government sanction in the form of drivers license.

The state budget is being threatened by its own Death Panel program. Pensions are facing a major crisis. The state is being led by the mentality of the bankrupt philosophy of the Democrat party.

In 2012, California residents were 12% of the nation’s population but 33% of its welfare recipients. Has that improved under Brown and Obama?

Add to that the state’s unique place in the degradation of the culture (see Hollywood, San Francisco) which creates and sustains a perverted worldview, and I think one can make a case for California being a place one might want to visit but not live.

I fully recognize there are good, decent hardworking citizens in the state. Sadly they are being rapidly replaced and outnumbered. If America is in decline, California is on the fast track.


21 posted on 01/09/2015 4:10:06 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Add to that the state’s unique place in the degradation of the culture (see Hollywood, San Francisco) which creates and sustains a perverted worldview, and I think one can make a case for California being a place one might want to visit but not live.”

I was born in San Francisco in 1940 and I have lived here all my life. I live in the East Bay today and have lived here since 1952. I have raised three children and am now watching them raise their’s here as well. To suggest that this is a completely depraved place is not supported by the facts. Sure, the RATs have made a mess out of things in recent years, bur so have then done in most other states where they control the governments. It is small minded and counterproductive ( although I can understand that it might make people like yourself feel good to make outlandish statements here on FR) to try and paint an inaccurate picture of our state.
The issue that you raised ( and it was not supported by the facts) was to the effect that our economy was “third world” and failing. California, despite our terrible government, has a flourishing economy. California pays into the Federal government the largest amount of money of any other state and by a considerable margin, and as can be seen by the data I supplied, and gets back far less than it’s contributions. I am wondering since your FR name is SoFlo Freeper if it is indicative of the fact that you reside in South Florida. Interestingly, in view of your comments, that Florida is the premier deadbeat state of all in terms of what it pays into the Federal Government as opposed to what it receives back. In truth by that measurement, Florida does live off of the rest of the states and in all probability gets a lot of that money out of the pockets of Californians. And yet we see that Florida is at the very least a “purple state” that has “given us” Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and any number of other so-called “conservative leaders.”
So on the issue of economics, your original comments were way wide of the truth, and frankly as a Conservative Californian, I am getting a little tired of all the California Bashing that goes on here on FR, which is headquartered, here down in Fresno. Like Florida, we have our “pockets of shame,” but just like the map of the country, most of the area that comprises our state is populated with decent folks who don’t like what the trash in our cities foists off on us as “elected representatives.” And efforts here ( which unfortunately will go nowhere) to divide the state physically into several smaller, more manageable entities are indicative of the dissatisfaction of people living in the less populated areas.
Personally, I would like to see California go under financially because it would be the most direct way to correct what’s wrong here, but apart from some number of our cities going into bankruptcy, that’s not likely to happen either. In the end, taking pot shots at this state or that, isn’t productive and in so doing we do a disservice to addressing the real tasks we face trying to take back our country.


26 posted on 01/09/2015 9:48:13 AM PST by vette6387
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Productive citizens and businesses are fleeing for places like Texas and Florida”

Perhaps some are, but I can tell you I had a business associate who moved to Austin (built a big home on a hill there), worked for Tracor. After five years, his wife paid us a visit, then called her husband and said that he’d have to find a new job back here because she had had it with “the Texas lifestyle,”( their neighbors were unfriendly because they weren’t “Texans”).
I had a chance for a promotion to Texas and turned it down (at the time Texas still allowed school teachers to hit their kids, and they were the consummate racists to boot). Texas, on it’s best day isn’t anywhere close to being California climate-wise. As for Florida, I understand why everyone there carries a gun, you absolutely do need the protection it affords on a daily basis. And I am left wondering if Florida is such a “happening place,” why it gets back from the Federal Government, twice what it pays to it.


34 posted on 01/09/2015 11:13:21 AM PST by vette6387
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