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To: CyberAnt
WELL .. IS THAT THE ANSWER ..?? OR IS THE ANSWER - WE’RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY IT WORKS. AFTER ALL .. IT USED TO BE A SEPARATE PILE OF MONEY .. AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS (IN THEIR GREED), DECIDED TO PUT IT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AND .. ALL THEY LEFT BEHIND FOR THE CONTRIBUTORS .. WAS A PILE OF I.O.U.’S - HOW THOUGHTY OF THEM.

Wrong. The operation of the SSTF has not changed since the inception of SS under FDR. You are spouting an unsubstantiated myth.

Myth 4: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants paid would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program

The idea here is basically correct. However, this statement is usually joined to a second statement to the effect that this principle was violated by subsequent Administrations. However, there has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

Most likely this myth comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no affect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.

I’M NOT INTERESTED IN HOW IT WORKS NOW .. I’M INTERESTED IN GETTING PEOPLE TO CHANGE HOW IT WORKS .. CHANGE IT BACK TO THE WAY IT USED TO WORK.

It is working the way it has always worked. The problem is demographics, i.e., an aging population that is living far longer than when SS was set up about 80 years ago.

73 posted on 01/08/2015 9:33:26 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
"It is working the way it has always worked."

This is true, but the fund is not holding a pile of cash, or stocks, or real estate investments. It's holding a pile of Treasury Bonds. The income was used to lend to the government and once expenses exceed income can only be paid out by the government buying back the bonds out of general funds. So it's really an artificial distinction.

80 posted on 01/08/2015 9:41:39 AM PST by mlo
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To: kabar

Sorry to disappoint you .. but it was AL GORE’S FATHER who lead the charge to move the funds.

Evidently, you’re a liberal who is worried that this truth might get out .. and then the public will be REALLY .. REALLY MAD WHEN THE FUNDS RUN OUT.

So what did they do with all the I.O.U.’s .. as far as I know .. when GW Bush was president, they were all still there - in a drawer where all the records should have been; AND THE ACTUAL TRUST FUND DOES NOT EXIST.

Somebody’s lying .. and it isn’t me.

THE “TRUST FUND” DOESN’T EXIST .. PROVING YOU ARE A PLANT TO DISCREDIT MY COMMENTS - AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THE TRUST FUND STILL EXISTS. IT DOESN’T ..!!!!!


118 posted on 01/08/2015 11:12:52 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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