Posted on 12/21/2014 12:26:07 PM PST by SeekAndFind
“Oh, boo-hoo, the neocons’ slur is being turned against them.”
Exactly. He is playing word games for gotcha.
And btw, “Isolationism means not having diplomatic relations”, is not what isolationism means.
Your analysis is 99% liberal orthodoxy and has nothing to do with reality.
Understanding what you said is wrong factually and pragmatically is one of the clear things that separates conservatives from liberals.
“Nixon’s opening to China may have been good cold war politics...”
And that’s probably not even the case as far as history.
Nixon did this in large part to gain a two state solution for Vietnam. He and Kissinger considered it a trade of Taiwan for S. Vietnam.
Well, Taiwan got derecognized by the US and international community, which is what the Chinese wanted, but S. Vietnam did not survive, which is what we were supposed to get.
At least I offered facts to back up my opinion. You offer none. If you think the average Chinese person isn't freer today than under Mao, it's you that is ignorant of exactly how oppressive things were then. Arguing that China is the same as it was is like saying it's the same as North Korea. It isn't.
Other posters did addressed your lack of historical knowledge.
e.g. “ If you think the average Chinese person isn’t freer today than under Mao”. Is a nonsensical response on your part, a straw man at best if it even reaches that level.
No one did, nor would, argue against that.
And what is more isolationist than cutting off dioplomatic relations, pray tell? Erasing them off our maps?
When did the CCP take over China?
When was the Great Leap Forward?
When was the Cultural Revolution?
When was Kissinger's first secret trip?
When was Nixon's visit?
When did Mao (毛) die?
When did the Cultural Revolution end?
When was Democracy Wall?
When did Deng (邓) consolidate his power?
When was Wei Jing-sheng (魏京生) first imprisoned?
When did the US formally recognize the PRC and break diplomatic relations with Taiwan?
When was the TianAnMen Square massacre?
When was the Chinese Democracy Party founded?
When were the founders of the Chinese Democracy Party imprisoned?
When did persecution of FaLunGong begin?
It seems that Obama, and those who oppose the embargo, want to add 11 million Cubans in the Island to U.S. welfare rolls. Obama will bankrupt U.S. as Castro bankrupted the Soviet Union.
The embargo was not a failure. U.S. is Cuba’s bigger trader of food and medicine. Thanks to the embargo everything Cuba buys from US is being paid on advance, those over l40 countries worldwide who sold Cuba merchandise on credit were never paid for their goods.
For those who try to equate the Cuban Stalinist regime with other communist or ex-communists regimes, neither Soviet Union, China or Vietnam tried to obliterate New York and Washington by a nuclear attack, and the hatred of the Castros for U.S. have not diminished a bit over half a century .
The Cuban regime tried to obliterate New York and Washington with a nuclear attack during the October Missile Crisis of 1962. “In November 1962, the Castro brothers’ and Che Guevara’s agents had targeted Macy’s, Gimbels, Bloomingdales, and Manhattan’s Grand Central Station with a dozen incendiary devices and 500 kilos of TNT. The Holocaust was set for detonation the following week, on the day after Thanksgiving.” (Humberto Fontova)
Since taking power, Castro has been a strong ally of Islamic terrorism. Cuba continues to serve as a base for coordination and mutual support among transnational terrorist organizations. At Tehran University he stated to the thunderous applause of students and faculty, "The imperialist king will finally fall,” (AFP, May 10, 2001). Immediately afterward the Iranian Press Service proudly proclaimed that "Iran and Cuba reached the conclusion that together they can tear down the United States.” (IPS, May 10, 2001)…. AND 4 MONTHS LATER…
REMEMBER 9/11/2001
Nothing personal, but do you revel in showing off your ignorance?
One other important question to add is
When did Deng say it doesn’t matter if a cat is white or black as long as it can catch mice?
And I think adding the question is appropriate
When was the One Child Policy, and associated forced abortion enforcement, established?
Rand is losing it. He’s being too calculated.
I’m hoping Rand decides to go back to practicing medicine instead of running for POTUS.
The last isolationist President we had was Wilson, yet, even he found he could not hold to that idea.
Isolationism would also mean that all those dollars going to all those countries, and their D.c. lobbyists, would vanish, and we all know that for those who are addicted to the bacon-wrapped shrimp, they can’t have that!
I’m not so sure China was in a position to deliver Vietnam. But what did happen was increased pressure on the Soviet Union, which was another of Nixon’s goals.
ordinary Cubans can’t afford Iphones. Those who work are taxed at 92%.
Doesn't sound like you have an answer.
Ridiculous. Wilson was pushing global war and global government from the git.
Thanks for the posting of the article. It reveals that Rand Paul is as ignorant as his dad about how international relationships really do, or don’t, work. Rand is toast!
Rand Raul.
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