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To: Olog-hai

I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!


3 posted on 12/18/2014 12:06:52 AM PST by melsec (There's a track, winding back, to an old forgotten shack along the road to Gundagai..)
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To: melsec

~I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!~

Sure. Not to mention it is not clear was the victim willing to steal from him or probably went to inform he has forgot to close a door and left his property exposed.

No self defense in this case if the factual circumstances are described properly in the article.

This guy simply wanted to kill someone and he did.


6 posted on 12/18/2014 12:14:18 AM PST by wetphoenix
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To: melsec

What trap?


9 posted on 12/18/2014 12:16:07 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: melsec

Yeah, I think mantraps are illegal.

I had a friendly argument with another over a similar (maybe the same) case. He wondered if I thought the deceased “deserved” what he got. I said I don’t know whether they did or not, only that you take you don’t know what you’re in for if you trespass onto another’s property. And that it’s hardly surprising things turned out the way they did.


12 posted on 12/18/2014 12:18:23 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: melsec

As pissed off as I would be at having a bunch of “yutes” taking stuff from garages and worrying mine might be next - this man (and his wife that did an inventory of her purse, then left it in the garage as bait) were wrong. Rock salt in the shotgun at a distance perhaps - but that would probably even earn one’s self a conviction today. Heck - rock salt over his head may have kept him from ever wanting to prowl the neighborhood at night again.


13 posted on 12/18/2014 12:18:25 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: melsec

My trap is my life and possessions. If some stupid human fish comes along and decides to steal it. BAM!

I 100% disagree with you on this.


19 posted on 12/18/2014 12:28:31 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: melsec
I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!

Unless you are in law "enforcement".

64 posted on 12/18/2014 1:32:16 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: melsec

You can set traps like this but ordinarily they trigger a camera, a dye blast, or an alarm or something, not the death penalty.


79 posted on 12/18/2014 3:10:50 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 14 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: melsec; Olog-hai
I don’t believe you can set traps for people and then claim self defense when they take the bait!

TO melsec, info to Olog-hai:
Leaving your property unsecured is not really bait - it doesn't matter if it you leave a $1000 bike sitting on your front porch - it is still illegal for someone to take it. When the take advantage of an unlocked garage and actually enter your abode, they have committed an even worse crime.

This guy's biggest mistake was voicing his frustrations and vocalizing that he was fed up enough to take action against those that invaded his home - if he had been silent, he wouldn't have been convicted. The jury got it wrong. Your assumption could also describe someone wearing an expensive piece of jewelry in public and being accosted by someone who wants to steal it - did they bait the person?

87 posted on 12/18/2014 4:57:51 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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