Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
Just days before he shot to death a 17-year-old German exchange student, Markus Kaarma told hair stylists he had been waiting up to shoot some kids who were burglarizing homes.
He told them they would see it on the news.
Kaarma hoped to bait an intruder by leaving his garage door partially open and placing a purse inside, prosecutors said. And when he did, a motion detector alerted him early April 27. Kaarma took a shotgun outside and almost immediately fired four blasts into the garage. Diren Dede, unarmed, was hit twice. He died after the final shot hit him in the head.
For those reasons, Kaarma’s “castle doctrine” defense, which allows people to use deadly force to protect their home and family, failed him Wednesday. A Missoula jury convicted him of deliberate homicide. …
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Dede's guilt is not at issue. Again, both parties can be guilty. One was guilty of attempted burglary. The other was guilty of murder.
Only the government can “entice a thief” (so-called) and not the citizen, I see. In order to be enticed, one has to be a thief in the first place. And there was no enticement besides—an open garage door is not such.
Clearly he thought what he was doing would be legally justified. He was wrong.
It is an issue. There is no excuse to enter a garage even if the door is open. Kaarma murdered nobody.
I didn't say that did I? Why act like I did?
I also already addressed the point. It's not the enticing that made him guilty of murder. It's the shooting of the thief that showed up.
Thanks for validating the alleged laws of liberals.
Again, there was no enticement. An open garage door is not enticement.
You’re digging a big hole, there. When shooting a thief on one’s own property is “murder”, then nobody is secure in their homes.
No. You obviously think that if Dede was really wanting to steal then Kaarma can't be guilty. But that's nonsense. You can't shoot every thief you see. You also can't create the situation that necessitates the need for self-defense and still claim self-defense.
Nearly every state does not allow you to shoot someone to protect property, even in your home. It isn't a liberal thing.
"Again, there was no enticement. An open garage door is not enticement."
That's your opinion. The jury obviously disagreed.
No, but you still can’t set up a trap like that. It’s long settled law.
The hole is yours. Most states do not allow you to shoot a thief on your own property. Not for simply being on your property. Not even for simply being on your property with the intent to steal. That's reality.
Different kind of trap. The closest I’ve heard was an LAPD program going after dangerous violent criminals tracking them until they actually committed a crime then pouncing. Lots of the peeps somehow died. At least that’s how the LA Times reported it a few years ago. It caused a big s think and I think the LAPD had to stop and disband the group
That’s not those states’ prerogative under the Tenth Amendment, since the Second and Fourth Amendments take precedence and are supreme.
It is not moral to defend such state governments for enacting such laws, since they have become destructive of the ends of effecting the safety and happiness of law-abiding citizens.
What trap? An open garage door is not a trap.
Now you are just making stuff up. The 2nd and 4th have nothing to do with the facts of this case.
"It is not moral to defend such state governments for enacting such laws..."
You mean laws against murder? Alrighty then.
An accidentally or neglectfully left open door is not a trap. Planning to leave the door open when you know burglars are about, then lying in wait with a shotgun, then blasting the first thing that moves, is another story.
They have everything to do with the facts here. Especially since an open garage door does not constitute a trap.
There was no murder committed here.
That’s extremely specious.
And given that the garage was broken into at 12:30 AM, the intent on Dede’s part ought to be crystal clear.
Now take your answer and apply it to the people you were talking about. It works both ways.
You’re not being clear.
Kaarma’s girlfriend did call 911 and attempted to revive Dede.
It cannot be possible to deliberately aim for the head in a dark garage, unless one’s eyeballs can perceive infrared light.
An open garage, even at midnight, is not a trap, even if setting a trap was somehow “immoral”. Who enters a stranger’s garage after midnight to look for “something to drink”?
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