Posted on 12/15/2014 10:06:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
That is a very long article. I read a little. Someone wants to reinstitute state slavery it sounds like.
I would agree....it’s probably fifty percent more than what a regular guy would read.
Having done twenty-two years of military time, and joined four years after the Vietnam War ended, I have a different prospective. The last thing on Earth that you want is having a bunch of guys around who were forced to participate in the military. The crowd who grew up in the depression-era might have been more motivated as a group or team, but those that grew up in the 1950/1960s....aren’t that breed.
He isn’t saying to reinstate the draft, and WWI and WWII were not fought by slaves.
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Ok Enstein, synopsize the article for us mouth breathers then.
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
A draft is an economic short circuit. The government does not want to pay a market wage that would attract enough men to go fight, so they love forcing people to do it. Also, if your cause is weak, people will not volunteer so easily.
The constitution does not say forced servitude is ok during wars, it only is allowed as punishment for a crime.
Huh? did someone urinate in your cheerios?
So the WWII draft was to save money, and because the cause was weak?
I don’t think the intent of this article rather long winded article is to advocate a return to the peacetime draft. I do think it makes several good points about the unintended consequences of an all volunteer military.
There’s a fine line between an all volunteer military driven by patriotic feeling and a mercenary army driven by self interest with a general feeling of detachment from the society it serves.
What part of “involuntary servitude” do you not understand? And people lined up after pearl harbor. But yes, it prevents the government from having to pay a market wage.
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And you agree with Wilson that it wasn’t slavery because all the draftees were actually volunteers. The nation volunteered as a whole by Congress voting for war.
Yes, WWI was indeed fought by millions of men who had no choice. Millions of them died.
OK, so WWII was fought by American slaves according to you.
So the WWII draft was to save money, and because the cause was weak?
Not exactly, not for long, and not for the ground fighting forces, that is why we had to go to a draft.
66% of the WWII military was drafted, and 93% of the United States Army was draftees.
Correct, the guy is not calling for a draft.
So what? Because it was done doesn’t make it right. It is the absolute pinnacle of the philosophy that the individual exists to serve the state and not the opposite. A draft of people to work and often die against their will is closer to Adolph than to Madison and Jefferson.
He isn’t saying to reinstate the draft, and WWI and WWII were not fought by slaves.
I enlisted in the army during the Vietnam War, draftees were better than the females who replace them after the draft ended.
We just had our last draftees finishing up their service in the last 3 or 4 years.
Army’s Last Draftee to Retire After 39 Years
Published July 03, 2011 Associated Press
Mellinger told the draft board there was a mistake.
“I ... told them I don’t need to go into the Army, I’ve got a job,” said Mellinger, who hung drywall for a living. “They just kind of laughed.”
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He heard so many war stories in training that he was fired up about going, and was disappointed he was instead assigned to be an office clerk in Germany.
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Mellinger wasn’t long for clerking. He earned a spot in the Army Rangers, and would go on to do more than 3,700 parachute jumps. And despite the 1991 parachute accident that gave him the material for the wind chime, breaking his leg in several places, he went on to run nine marathons. He was made a command sergeant major in 1992.
Nearly a decade later, he was sent to ground zero in New York right after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as part of an advance party from the First Army. Then came his time in Iraq as the top enlisted soldier of the multi-national forces in Iraq, where he says he survived 27 roadside bombings during his deployment of nearly three years straight.
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“Draftees are pretty maligned over time,” he said, “but the fact is they are part of every branch of service up to 1973, and when you look at what those military branches accomplished over time, I’ll let the record speak for itself.”
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