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Ex-con shot by retired Union City police officer dies, was carrying loaded handgun, sources say
Cliffview Pilot ^ | 12-15-14 | Jerry DelMarco

Posted on 12/15/2014 9:41:32 PM PST by smokingfrog

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To: FreedomStar3028

In reality cops are often a worse shot than non-police ccw holders who statistically spend more time on the gun range and given less legal protections than cops, are more careful with aim and number of shots fired to neutralize a threat.

Maybe he got more range time in as a retired, private citizen.


21 posted on 12/15/2014 11:13:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Is that true? Not saying it isn’t, just saying I am skeptical. Do you have these statistics, or a reference? I have heard opposite. But that could just be the not so subtle war on the constitution talking.


22 posted on 12/15/2014 11:17:56 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

It is true.

They shoot more rounds than ccw citizens do in a fight, they hit the targets less times than ccw folks do, and they do more collateral damage to other people than ccw folks do. You can easily find supporting evidence here or searching.

Cops do rage qualifying once or twice a year, and for many it’s the only time they spend on the range. CCW folks generally spend a lot more time on the range. We don’t have the luxury of sovereign immunity and not beign personally liable. If we kill some bystander defending ourselves we’re liable.

I still remember one story about a perp in the back of a squad who somehow got a weapon and a gunfight began in the car with two cops and him, something like 40 shots were fired and nobody got hit by anything.


23 posted on 12/15/2014 11:25:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m sure this thug’s family can’t believe his bad luck...running to one of the only persons in New Jersey legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon.


24 posted on 12/16/2014 1:39:06 AM PST by BobL (I'm so old, I can remember when most hate crimes were committed by whites - Thomas Sowell, 2014)
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To: smokingfrog

....Grimes.....emergency dialysis.....

Cop got a couple of good kidney shots I guess.


25 posted on 12/16/2014 1:50:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FreedomStar3028

To most any cop, the whole magazine isn’t excessive. Look at some of the cases in NYC. Dozens of bullets shot at a perp.


26 posted on 12/16/2014 1:52:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FreedomStar3028

When the decision is made to shoot, the number of bullets is only a consideration when you have to make a magazine change. I never have just the one weapon with one magazine in my truck.


27 posted on 12/16/2014 1:55:07 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: BobL

Every time I end a call or visit with my daughter, SIL, and grand daughters I tell them “Make Good Choices.”

It’s been kind of running joke with my daughter and me for years. We saw some lady use that line in a movie when she was talking to one of her friends who was just a complete mess.


28 posted on 12/16/2014 1:57:07 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: smokingfrog

“he had been attempting to turn his life around”...

Must not have tried very hard, look what those efforts go him. Was enrolled in the school for rappers too?


29 posted on 12/16/2014 3:51:13 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: smokingfrog

I hope he rolled down the window before shooting the POS. The Infiniti is a nice car and you don’t want broken glass all over the upholstery.


30 posted on 12/16/2014 4:43:41 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: tony549

Can you provide a valid citation for your statement.

I have yet to see a court case to prove that the use hand loads have been used to convict any body.

The notion that hand loads are bad have been push by LEO departments as a liability issue.

I haven’t ever seen a actual case. If you have one please post it.


31 posted on 12/16/2014 4:51:02 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: smokingfrog

Another happy ending. This makes 3 or 4 just this am.


32 posted on 12/16/2014 5:02:53 AM PST by petercooper (Liberalism = Amnesty = Open Borders = Illegal Immigration = Ebola = Obama)
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To: smokingfrog
I'm of the opinion that our view of ‘turning your life around’ differs from those who throw together those words as a final epitaph when describing a thug. Perhaps their definition of turning your life around is to perfect criminal acts.
33 posted on 12/16/2014 5:05:33 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: smokingfrog

Good shooting, Citizen. Civilization thanks you.


34 posted on 12/16/2014 7:04:23 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Ah, so he was just moonlighting as a carjacker.

It's tough having two jobs you know. /s

35 posted on 12/16/2014 7:06:11 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: BobL
I’m sure this thug’s family can’t believe his bad luck...running to one of the only persons in New Jersey legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

My first thought...

36 posted on 12/16/2014 7:08:14 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Flick Lives

Not only that but his ears would still be ringing.


37 posted on 12/16/2014 7:21:47 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: tony549
Use of hand loaded HP ammo can leave one open to lawsuits or possibly even prosecution from an overly zealous DA.

Why?

38 posted on 12/16/2014 9:11:12 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I read in some gun magazines that use of personally reloaded HP ammo can be used against the shooter in civil lawsuits. Also, see here:
http://www.outdoorhub.com/how-to/2013/11/26/seven-deadly-sins-concealed-carry-using-wrong-ammo/


39 posted on 12/19/2014 12:35:26 PM PST by tony549 (Stuck in SoCal)
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