Posted on 12/04/2014 3:20:25 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
High flying and fast, the F-22 Raptor stealth jet is by far the most lethal fighter America has ever built. But the Raptorand indeed all U.S. fightershave a potential Achilles heel, according to a half-dozen current and former Air Force officials. The F-22s long range air-to-air missiles might not be able to hit an enemy aircraft, thanks to new enemy radar jamming techniques.
The issue has come to the fore as tensions continue to rise with Russia and a potential conflict between the great powers is once again a possibilityeven if a remote one.
Wethe U.S. [Department of Defense]havent been pursuing appropriate methods to counter EA [electronic attack] for years, a senior Air Force official with extensive experience on the F-22 told The Daily Beast. So, while we are stealthy, we will have a hard time working our way through the EA to target [an enemy aircraft such as a Russian-built Sukhoi] Su-35s and our missiles will have a hard time killing them.
The problem is that many potential adversaries such as the Chinese and the Russians have developed advanced digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) jammers. These jammers, which effectively memorize an incoming radar signal and repeat it back to the sender, seriously hamper the performance of friendly radars.
Worse, these new jammers essentially blind the small radars found onboard air-to-air missiles like the Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM, which is the primary long-range weapon for all U.S. and most allied fighter planes.
That means it could take several missile shots to kill an enemy fighter, even for an advanced stealth aircraft like the Raptor. While exact Pk [probability of kill] numbers are classified, lets just say that I wont be killing these guys one for one, the senior Air Force official said. Its the same issue for earlier American fighters like the F-15, F-16, or F/A-18.
Another Air Force official with experience on the stealthy new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter agreed. AMRAAMs had some great upgrades over the years, but at the end of the day, its old technology and wasnt really designed with todays significant EA in mind, this official said.
Like boxers, every missile has a reach, a range, a limit to how far it can hit. In the not-too-distant future, the AMRAAM might also be out-ranged by new weapons that are being developed around the world. Particularly, Russia is known to be developing an extremely long-range weapon called the K-100 that has far better reach than anything currently in existence.
While we are stealthy, we will have a hard time targeting Russian Su-35s and our missiles will have a hard time killing them. The problem is not a new one. The Pentagon has historically always prioritized the development of new fighters over the development new weaponsits a uniquely American blind spot. During the 1970s, the then brand new F-15A Eagle carried the same antiquated armament as the Vietnam-era F-4 Phantom II. It wasnt until the 1990s that the F-15 received a weapon in the form of the AMRAAM that could take full advantage of its abilities. The same applies to short-range weaponsit wasnt until the early 2000s with the introduction of the AIM-9X that the U.S. had a dogfighting weapon that could match or better the Russian R-73 Archer missile.
The Air Force officials all said that some of the American missiles would get through during a fightthere is no question of thatbut it would take a lot more weapons than anyone ever expected. The problem is that fighter aircraft dont carry that many missiles.
The Raptor carries six AMRAAMs and two shorter range AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles inside its weapons bays. At the moment, the F-35 carries only four AMRAAM missiles inside its weapons bays, but that might be expanded to six in the future. Older fighters like the Boeing F-15 Eagle carry no more than eight missileswhile the F-16 usually carries no more than six weapons.
That means that if a fighter has to firefor instancethree missiles to kill a single enemy fighter, the Pentagon is facing a serious problem.
Getting a first shot is one thing, said a former Air Force fighter pilot with extensive experience with Russian weapons. Needing another shot when you have expended your load is another when your force structure is limited in terms of the number of platforms available for a given operation.
There are some potential solutions, but all of them mean spending more money to develop new missiles. former Air Force intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Dave Deptula said its critical that the U.S. and its allied move air-to-air weapons into a future where they can effectively deal with adversary electronic attack.
One relatively simple fix would be to develop a missile that picks out its targets using radars with a completely different frequency band. Current fighter radars and missiles operate on what is called the X-band, but they dont necessarily have to. Getting out of X band is on option, said one senior Air Force official.
The Pentagon could also develop a new missile that combines multiple types of sensors such as infrared and radar into the same weaponwhich has been attempted without much success in the past.
Right now, the Defense Departmentlead by the Navyis working to increase the range of the AIM-9X version of the Sidewinder by 60 percent to give the Pentagons fighter fleet some sort of counter to the jamming problem. But even with the extended reach, the modified Sidewinder wont have anywhere close to the range of an AMRAAM.
The other option is to stuff fighters like the F-22 and F-35 with more missiles that are smaller. Lockheed Martin, for example, is developing a small long-range air-to-air missile called the Cuda that could double or triple the number of weapons carried by either U.S. stealth fighter. Look to a new generation of U.S. air-to-air missiles, like Cuda, to neutralize any potential numerical advantage, one senior industry official said.
The industry official said that despite the small size, new weapons like the Cuda can offer extremely impressive range because they dont have an explosive warheadthey just run into the target and destroy it with sheer kinetic energy.
But the senior Air Force official expressed deep skepticism that such a weapon could be both small and far-reaching. I doubt you can solve range and the need for a large magazine with the same missile, he said.
This official added that future weapons would be far better at countering enemy jammingso much so that future fighters will not need to have the sheer speed and maneuverability of an aircraft like the Raptor. I think top end speed, super cruise, and acceleration will all decline in importance as weapons advance in range and speed, he said.
For a military thats committed hundreds of billions of dollars to such advanced fighters, such developments might not exactly be welcome news.
We like running with the same attitude and logic that once told US that our fighters don't need a gun any more.
Better to sober up now than on that first day when assumptions and training meet reality.
They are still a few years from production of the systems needed to see and shoot stealth but the days are numbered for stealth.
We have been able to see stealth since at least 1985 that I know of. The Russians picked up on it about 1988 but with the demise of the USSR they stepped back from development until they got back on their financial feet about 8 years ago. They have moved forward with anti-stealth technology and are on the verge of releasing multiple systems, air, sea, and land, that can see and shoot stealth.
Stealth is good stuff and should be used to defeat manpads and other non-sophisticated missiles, but it cannot defeat sophisticated imaging systems. It does reduce typical CW radar signatures and is useful for penetrating Russian airspace for bomb delivery, but gravity bombs are rather stupid when we have ICBM/SLBM delivery capabilities that cost less per warhead and are nearly 100% effective. Those warheads also employ stealth and other countermeasures like decoys and chaff, which makes them far better than aircraft at delivering nuclear warheads.
“We have lots of both”
So do they and many of theirs are over here learning better manufacturing techniques. I have been shocked at how many Russians have had access to what I would consider national secrets.
“Pretty much every program now is decided by its clout in Congress and the number of jobs it creates...resulting in an over-expensive and inefficient industry.”
Which is why any smaller budgeted country can compete with us. We don’t make good use of what we spend.
Its about the will—if the left talks the youth into thinking America is evil and should be punished for Slavery, Global Warming, and starvation, who will fight? Rome lost because the Romans didn’t believe in the ideals of Rome anymore. Same could happen to the west.
Wait, that already happened?
BP remains alive in various forms, but why go into the intake of an aircraft when a projectile merely smokes right through it and obliterates the target? It has enough force to push a tank right into a hole in the sand. An aircraft turns into confetti with such a projectile.
Space-based kinetic weapons are mind blowing.
“Its about the will”
You bet. Turning every little kid into a liberal onesie wearing pacifist is their goal. Can’t dominate strong minds.
“The U.S. Military and our Aerospace industry have known about stealth technology “
Truth be told, the Russians wrote the book, literally in 1964, that we used to create our first stealth projects. Our aircraft designers thought the calculations the Russians provided were way off, but it turned out they were dead on.
Politics kept the Soviets from using their own math to produce stealth aircraft. Once they discovered we were producing stealth it took them a few years to understand we were using their book, which they then used to predict our stealth outcomes.
By the time Obama is finished, our fighters will be shooting bean bags.
The leakers are leaking to tell the others that we know they know we have discovered the problem? Maybe there is an answer already and it is counter-ignorance?
Plus some national defense worries have to be released to the public to win political support in the battle for defense dollars.
~Stealth is good stuff and should be used to defeat manpads and other non-sophisticated missiles~
Last time I’ve check manpad missiles aren’t radar-guided. F-35 is actually a better targets for most manpads than helicopter, and we all know manpads are pretty much effective against helicopters.
Stealth isn’t just about radar.
Do you have any background in aa-warfare?
“Do you have any background in aa-warfare?”
Why do you want to know?
Just curious. Inexpensive airspace denial to opposing air forces is actually an integral part of future hybrid warfare. I want to learn your opinion and that is all.
“airspace denial to opposing air forces is actually an integral part of future hybrid warfare.”
“hybrid”? It has always been a part of warfare since airplanes were invented and used in warfare.
You missed my point. Potent aa weapons are out of control now and pretty much available to non-government players these days.
Why plural?
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