You aren’t going to cause unconsciousness or asphyxiation with either of those holds.
There is not enough leverage in either example to cause complete restriction of either arteries or windpipe.
It’s a headlock, not a choke hold.
“You aren’t going to cause unconsciousness or asphyxiation with either of those holds”
Didn’t I already show you, from a handbook of forensic medicine, and the statements of New York City police officials themselves, that your claim isn’t true? Do I need to repost those?
Not true at all.
http://www.nletc.com/lateral-vascular-neck-restraint-lvnr
Quote: “25% will comply at Level Three or be rendered unconscious in 4 to 7 seconds.”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold
Later vascular neck restraint
“This hold does not put any pressure on the airway, but an improperly applied hold could quickly turn into an air choke if the person being restrained resists the hold by attempting to turn around.”
http://www.wuchikungfu.com/class%20intro/NECK%20HOLD%20TECHNIQUES%20II.htm
“Sealing the vein refers to the class of techniques that renders a person unconscious by stemming the flow of blood to the brain. It is a much safer technique to apply but one should be properly trained before applying it, as it too has inherent dangers associated even with its proper use.”