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WTF ATF:The ATF's Fake Retail Stores,Bad Behavior.And Why It Only Came Out Because They Failed To...
Techdirt ^ | 11/26/2014 | Mike Masnick

Posted on 11/27/2014 4:02:04 PM PST by RightGeek

This past week, on This American Life, the first 20 minutes or so are the incredible story of just how screwed up the ATF continues to be (the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms). Much of this has been reported on over the past year and a half by reporters in Milwaukee (and investigated by Congress), but it's absolutely worth listening to the details -- which you can do over on the This American Life page (I'd post the embed here, but unfortunately This American Life does not yet appear to support HTTPS, so we can't). The story is all kinds of stunning, including the insane fact that most of the details came out, and the reporters only began their investigation, because some undercover ATF agents in Milwaukee had trashed the property they were renting, and refused to pay the rent or damages to the landlord -- even threatening the landlord, claiming he was harassing federal agents by asking for the rent:

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The other thing that becomes clear in all of this is that these "undercover" ATF agents aren't just sloppy and stupid, they seem to go out of their way to be ineffective and dangerous.

Ira Glass: And they were robbed. These agents whose job it was to get guns out of the hands of criminals had three guns that were stolen out of an agent's car while he was parked at a coffee shop. These included a fully automatic rifle [snip]

Not long after that, the store itself was burglarized of $39,000 in clothes, jewelry, and merch, reportedly, because the ATF had not bothered to do much to secure the store and just did not seem to care. Nobody was minding the store, literally.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; guncontrol
This American Life is an NPR (hack, spit) show, but they were right on this one. Audio at http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/540/a-front and the transcript is at http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/540/transcript. You have to read it to believe it.
1 posted on 11/27/2014 4:02:04 PM PST by RightGeek
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To: RightGeek

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

Great name for a convenience store.


2 posted on 11/27/2014 4:06:52 PM PST by RW_Whacko
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To: RightGeek
Plenty of FR posts about the wonders of the Milwaukee ATF operation.

Just a few:

ATF's Milwaukee sting operation marred by mistakes, failures

Botched ATF sting in Milwaukee ensnares brain-damaged man

ATF's Milwaukee 'Fearless' storefront had little to ward off burglars

3 posted on 11/27/2014 4:10:12 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: RightGeek

The AFT is one of the worst of the worst when it comes to federal bureaucracies. And this was even before Holder got a hold of them.

These scumbags sent goons to my machine shop trying to set me up to make AR15 lowers and finish lowers for people right after Obama’s “under the radar” comment. Then a parade of those goons tried to get a ‘tour’ of the shop because they “heard” I was making guns. I forcefully and without the least bit of politeness told them to leave the office immediately and if they come back without a warrant I will have them reported to the local sheriff for trying to buy illegal firearms and trespassing.

I can only assume most shop owners would invite the agents in to show them around to show them they have nothing to hide. They never bothered me again.


4 posted on 11/27/2014 4:11:55 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: RightGeek

5 posted on 11/27/2014 4:16:09 PM PST by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: RightGeek

There is a survivalism shop that opened in a town near me this year and in the back of my mind I thought that it would be a good cover for an ATF cover operation.


6 posted on 11/27/2014 4:51:29 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: RightGeek
This American Life is an NPR (hack, spit) show

Funny, liberals over at DU loath NPR about as much as FReepers do, believing it has been co-opted over the past decade by donations from right-wing corporations.

FWIW, I listen to NPR every morning on my drive to work (and many afternoons driving home as well) and I find it to be one of the most "fair and balanced" media sources out there.

7 posted on 11/27/2014 4:52:13 PM PST by Drew68
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>> “FWIW, I listen to NPR every morning on my drive to work (and many afternoons driving home as well) and I find it to be one of the most “fair and balanced” media sources out there.” <<

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Then you definitely do not listen to KPFA!
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8 posted on 11/27/2014 4:54:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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“Then you definitely do not listen to KPFA!”

Yeah, keep that trash over the hill in Berzerkley. KPFA makes Communism look like a plausible alternative.


9 posted on 11/27/2014 5:01:53 PM PST by vette6387
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To: RightGeek

The ATF is a total mess and has been for a long time, but this is old news, as in January, 2013, almost 2 years ago.

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atfs-milwaukee-sting-operation-marred-by-mistakes-failures-mu8akpj-188952581.html


10 posted on 11/27/2014 5:20:34 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: RightGeek

ATF are useless jackboots in uniform whose sole mission in life seems to be to drive law-abiding gun shops out of business.

And then there’s their role in the gun shenanigans AKA Fast and Furious operation in Mexico.

Shut it down.


11 posted on 11/27/2014 6:08:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RightGeek

DIedrich? Glass? Is this story being reported by Barney Miller’s squad?


12 posted on 11/27/2014 6:11:19 PM PST by dangus
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To: goldstategop

Agreed. Anyone in the ATF that served in the military or considers themselves an American should do the right thing and shoot themselves in the face.


13 posted on 11/27/2014 6:11:19 PM PST by The Toll
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To: The Toll

They keep losing their badges and guns and confidential information about undercover personnel and operations.

ATF is a joke. They make FBI clowns look professional.


14 posted on 11/27/2014 6:16:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Maybe they hate themselves as much as they should and screw up from drinking themselves to death. I hope their wives don’t give them any until they get a bigboy job.


15 posted on 11/27/2014 6:21:58 PM PST by The Toll
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To: The Toll

Losing track of guns? Yup, its a felony but BATF does what the rest of us can’t do:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/02/now-where-did-i-put-that-a-few-batfe-agents-still-losing-track-of-their-guns/

It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.


16 posted on 11/27/2014 6:31:38 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RightGeek; Travis McGee

Ping


17 posted on 11/27/2014 6:41:29 PM PST by gaijin
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To: RightGeek
Ira Glass: And they were robbed. These agents whose job it was to get guns out of the hands of criminals had three guns that were stolen out of an agent's car while he was parked at a coffee shop. These included a fully automatic rifle

Knowing the Federal Government this guy probably still got his bonus.

18 posted on 11/27/2014 11:17:28 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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