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Oil prices in freefall as OPEC fails to agree output cut
Fortune ^ | November 27, 2014 | Geoffrey Smith

Posted on 11/27/2014 3:06:00 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Jack Hydrazine
Gold is less than $1200/troy oz. and silver about $16.50/oz.

I have been buying both hand over fist and if 93 octane goes under $3.00 I may have to consider buying a 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat.

41 posted on 11/27/2014 5:09:14 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: familyop

Money is fungible and investors chase yield. If there’s a profit in it, Americans will do it.


42 posted on 11/27/2014 5:12:10 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
5 Year Crude Oil Prices - Crude Oil Price Chart
How did the energy companes survive 2009-2010, when shale was much more expensive than today to produce? Answer: Easily, that's how.
43 posted on 11/27/2014 5:13:41 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Life is good.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Let’s not also forget the incredible innovation America’s free market economy is capable of producing. As new technologies come online, so will new wells.


44 posted on 11/27/2014 5:14:45 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

it is good to have oil prices lowered, but the US Government must break the cartel by giving them zero interest loans to fight the cartel till the price recovers.

Now is the time to break their backs

Don’t repeat the mistakes of the past.


45 posted on 11/27/2014 5:18:40 PM PST by dila813
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To: 1010RD

And the more risk, the more yield that investors will require. Beyond a certain amount of risk, only insane investors will get involved (e.g., during a national debt repudiation process with haircuts).


46 posted on 11/27/2014 5:38:22 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

You’re a sane voice amongst a lot of the usual useless blather.

The Saudis don’t really give a crap about US production, there’s little they can do about it, anyway. They’re much more interested in squeezing the Iranians and the Russians at the moment. If Venezuela also gets squeezed a little, that’s OK, too.


47 posted on 11/27/2014 5:38:58 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: familyop

LOL. Good one.


48 posted on 11/27/2014 5:48:39 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
[Emphasis in bold mine. Link and excerpt only from "ibdeditorials.com.".]

Most Shale Fields To Stay Profitable Despite Oil Slump
Investor's Business Daily by way of Yahoo Finance
October 8, 2014 6:53 PM
"There isn't a magic number for fracking to cease being commercially viable because profitability varies by formation and even by wells within each play. 'Most formations need oil to be at $70 to $80 per barrel to make it a profitable investment,' said James Williams, a WTRG energy economist."


49 posted on 11/27/2014 6:10:52 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 1010RD

Heh. Got me. Okay, I was comparing apples and oranges while dragging in something only tenuously relevant to the discussion. But with the monstrous pile of government debt building up, the temptation was irresistible. We should all be getting ready.

My personal hope is that we’ll increase production of all kinds, but also that more of the production will be much more decentralized, distributed and generally secure in the future. For no personal remuneration so far, I’m doing a tiny part with my own mind and hands to help with that (experiments and data reporting from over 9,000 feet for individual and family level energy, tools and agriculture).


50 posted on 11/27/2014 6:27:57 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SIRTRIS
the ME funding of Islamic terror

You mean the Somalians in Lewiston that Baldacci brought here?

51 posted on 11/27/2014 6:39:12 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: familyop

Fascinating. I am thinking that we’ll see some breakthrough in atomic energy with town/village/city-size reactors buried for decades and recharged then.


52 posted on 11/27/2014 7:04:55 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I do lower tech stuff, but small nuclear power plants would be great! Those would free us up to focus more on agriculture, equipment and transportation. With more competition in battery production in conjunction with the new power source, we could even narrow that down to two general efforts: agricultural and equipment (equipment built and developed with free and open source designs...had to happen sooner or later).

Ah, make that three with the efforts for building construction. I’m helping a little toward developing strategies against regulatory problems (mechanical codes).

“Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee” (Cassius Clay). Their “hands can’t hit what” their “eyes can’t see.”


53 posted on 11/27/2014 7:56:25 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: hondact200
I saw an article on Drudge today where a Russian tycoon claims that Russia and OPEC can freeze the US out of it's shale play, with free falling oil.

I have been in the oil industry for about 35 years, and about snorted coffee on my keyboard. It took me awhile, but what the dufous isn't sharing is this data (2010-2014):

Oil production as percentage of GDP

Saudi Arabia- 45.8%

Russian Federation- 13.9%

United States- 0.9%

54 posted on 11/27/2014 8:09:46 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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To: KoRn

Equilibrium is the power controlling oil prices. The U.S. can put them in check with shale, and they can no longer gouge.


55 posted on 11/27/2014 9:40:50 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Ding Ding Ding Bingo Dingo Ringo we have a winner !

That’s a good question, how did those oil shale fracking companies survive back in 2009 - 2010 when oil was cheaper then.
Yes, I am aware there was less of it until oil prices sky rocked, did they know oil would go that high eventually ?
I am praying, hoping, and banking on of hopes that there will be a “ eureka “ moment that would be a real game changer soon in the efficiency of drilling, extraction and production of shale where that will grow the shale industry even more.
I hope none of these companies will not go bankrupt or people lose their jobs and a game changer would really freak OPEC out and put a dagger in the heart of OPEC and Russia.


56 posted on 11/28/2014 12:23:53 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipeline Project : build it already Congress !)
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To: familyop

Think about all the argreculture waste in millions of tons each year and the costs to get rid of corn plant wastes.
Now imagion that waste can be turned into bio fuel as in pellets to burn in a pellet stove.
Even walnut shells, peanut shells can be burn in a gasifier that can run a internal combustion engine.
During WWII most of your Scandinavia countries ran their cars, trucks, buses off of wood gas from a process called gassification, yes it’s true, a car can be run off of wood.


57 posted on 11/28/2014 12:36:39 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipeline Project : build it already Congress !)
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To: hondact200; TigerLikesRooster
Not really -- Russia has a lot of foreign exchange reserves and it also has a deal to sell to China. Their budget is based on an oil price of about $100/barrel

Saudi ARabia's budget is based on oil price of about $80/barrel, but they can take pain for a few months if they get to kill the US shale revolution

The UAE and Kuwait and Oman are even lower -- around $40 to $50/barrel

Venezuala is in deep doo-doo as their budget is based on oil at $140/barrel as is IRan

SAudi is using this to kill the US shale gas (enemy number one) and hurt Iran

58 posted on 11/28/2014 12:53:51 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The US should use more wind, solar, hydro and nuclear power. More efficient vehicles and ban imports of oil from the Middle East. Pump oil from Alaska, Shale etc. all US or at the best North America. No more oil from the Saudis


59 posted on 11/28/2014 12:56:39 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

I’m all for energy independence from nations or groups who wish the US ill. I’d slap a tariff on imported oil if I thought it would prevent decimation of domestic oil production, myself. Dumping by any other name is still just that.


60 posted on 11/28/2014 1:02:18 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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