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To: FreedomNotSafety

~The USA that won that war, that dominated the USSR and forced it into submission, no longer exist. What we have now is a weak Russia and a vacuous USA.~

It worth mentioning that the cold war was ‘won’ not by military means if you are looking at it on that terms. Also nobody in Russia believes they have lost. Common knowledge there says they understood they were wrong to pursue socialist goals, to hide behind iron curtain and to hold Europe as hostage so they have dismantled an evil empire voluntarily.
Both takes has obvious factual flaws of course, but you have to admit that mainstream American view is also very offensive for Russians and in no way they want to be treated as a defeated nation.

Nobody there likes NATO growing east as well, which factually predates modern Russian ‘imperialism’. And of course after dismembering of Serbia nobody takes US criticism of Russian involvement in Georgia and Ukraine any serious.
Along with a US criticism of Russian actions regarding Islamic extremism, which is much more a threat there than in America, it makes a perfect conditions for growing virulent anti-Americanism in Russia.

And we are talking about a country which was probably the most pro-American in world history in a period between 1989-1993 to the point of practically giving up a national souvereignity to Clinton administration.

Current actions of Obama’s administration comparing Russia to Ebola are adding to insult. And it is purely idiotic to think a majority of population would blame their authorities for a fallout of economic sanctions which are actually a gift for Russian government to explain any economic troubles with it putting all the blame on the West adding to an anti-Americanist crowd.

As for weaker both Russia and US I can’t disagree. People here saying that China is a distant third ignoring a fact that we are living in an era of non-linear warfare. Just look at the damage inflicted by Al-Qaeda which is technically not any viable power at all.


146 posted on 11/26/2014 3:33:52 PM PST by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

The Warsaw Pact was NOT an alliance, it was an occupation!

Once the communist dictator’s forces stopped killing people over their beliefs, the PEOPLE in Poland, et al Eastern Europe, chose to join NATO. Whether provocative or not towards Russia, it was their choice. Too many years of Soviet imperialism and communist dictatorship and totalitarianism made the Eastern Europeans fearful of Russia more than ANYTHING else, not the USA, France, the UK or even Germany.

Russia’s recent bellicosity is not helping at all.


147 posted on 11/26/2014 4:49:36 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: wetphoenix
Both takes has obvious factual flaws of course, but you have to admit that mainstream American view is also very offensive for Russians and in no way they want to be treated as a defeated nation. Nobody there likes NATO growing east as well

What do you mean "there", since you signed up here, you told us that you were a Special Operations Russian soldier posting from Russia, your home.

Who you are and who you work for would also explain why you signed up here to make posts like that one.

148 posted on 11/26/2014 4:59:08 PM PST by ansel12
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To: wetphoenix

It was a military victory unless you exempt military action that does not involve shooting. Constant fail safe flights by nuke bombers, submarine patrols, a massive defense build up, strategic and tactical nuke placements blockades, airlifts, the militarization of space.

Russians do not admit defeat but they readily agree that the USSR was defeated. They see themselves as having shed communism.

There is still left over pro-USA sentiment but it is for the USA of the Reagan era and its carry on through Bush1. I try to explain to the Russians I meet that the Reagan USA is gone.


153 posted on 11/26/2014 7:59:41 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: wetphoenix

Why do the myths and lies Russians believe matter?


155 posted on 11/26/2014 8:10:23 PM PST by Krosan
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