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Clashes at Dutch Black Pete protest in Gouda
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Posted on 11/16/2014 7:11:38 PM PST by Impala64ssa
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The art of getting offended for the sake of getting offended, Euro style. Such is the good life in a quasi-socialist utopia
To: Impala64ssa
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:13:12 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
To: Impala64ssa
“Black Pete” is a freaking CHIMNEY SWEEP! The very nature of his job is what turns him black. It has NOTHING to do with Africans or other black people.
The ignorance of these people is staggering in its depth.
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:24:49 PM PST
by
Don W
(To laugh, perhaps to dream...)
To: Impala64ssa
I’m not sure how blacks even figure into any Dutch Christmas tradition; are they whites covered with soot? I don’t think the tradition will take hold here; imagine telling your children that black men will come down your chimney while they’re sleeping...
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:26:11 PM PST
by
kearnyirish2
(Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
To: Impala64ssa
"...Black Pete, a controversial black-faced sidekick to the local St Nicholas."Remember, the definition of "controversial is something that liberals disapprove of. In the history of Black Pete in the prior decades (centuries?), there has never been a problem about Black Pete. And today he's call 'controversial'. BS. Protestors, get a life.
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:26:31 PM PST
by
Jabba the Nutt
(You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
To: Don W
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:26:41 PM PST
by
kearnyirish2
(Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
To: Jabba the Nutt
Just like all the hullabaloo about the Washington Redskins over here. Some loser with no life stumbled on a stupid cause for their raison d'etre and all the other losers fell in line.
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:27:55 PM PST
by
dfwgator
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:31:13 PM PST
by
Reaganez
To: Impala64ssa
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:33:06 PM PST
by
Brother Cracker
(You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
To: Don W
The modern version has him changing copier toner...
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:41:57 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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posted on
11/16/2014 7:44:06 PM PST
by
musicman
(Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
To: Impala64ssa
Dutch police have arrested dozens of people during a protest over Black Pete, a controversial black-faced sidekick to the local St Nicholas. Why do they hate the lovable Pete? Are they some kind of racists?
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posted on
11/16/2014 9:05:04 PM PST
by
PGR88
To: BenLurkin
Mr. Lurkin! Mr. Leahy.
Oh Mr. Lurkin, the Dutch sure have liberal office dress codes!
And that lady ... that Dutch lady in her underwear and pointy shoes. Uh, huh. Dr. Heh. She, uh. She, um ....
She makes Herr Wiener stand straight up, ja wohl!
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posted on
11/16/2014 9:11:00 PM PST
by
tumblindice
(America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
To: Brother Cracker
Sinterklaas! please bring me some salty licorice.
CC
To: kearnyirish2
There's a light / dark, reward / punishment element to this old tradition, too. The Swiss version of Black Pete carries a sack of coal, while St. Nicholas carries the gifts. Black Pete represented the punitive side of Christmas.
Several Central European countries depicted Black Pete as tall and gaunt, dressed in dark clothes, with a dark beard. Like a visual opposite of St. Nicholas, which becomes even more obvious when the older depictions are compared - that of Black Pete with goat's horns, hooves and tail, and a long red tongue. The Devil, basically. St. Nicholas, the representative of God, was shown having made the Devil his servant and tasked him with dealing with the naughty children.
I guess some folks these days are uncomfortable with a reminder of divine punishment, so they're doing what they can to destroy an ancient tradition. May Black Pete visit each and every one of them.
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posted on
11/16/2014 9:18:04 PM PST
by
Charles Martel
(Endeavor to persevere...)
To: kearnyirish2
Wikipedia
says "Traditionally Zwarte Piet is said to be black because he is a Moor from Spain."
![](http://files.coveringthemouse.com/images/ccc02.jpg)
The story of the chimney sweep is supposed to be of late 20th-century origin.
Anyhow, the film "Bad Santa" reminds me of the traditional St. Nick/Zwarte Piet roles.
To: PGR88
![](http://www.thebluegrassspecial.com/archive/2009/september2009/imagesseptember2009/desi1.jpg)
Maybe they should switch to "Cuban Pete" instead.
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posted on
11/16/2014 9:27:47 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: Charles Martel
That is Krampus or one of his associates, not the Dutch Piet. Our family celebrates both traditions, and the devil-like Krampus is 100% separate from Zwarte Piet (Black Peter).
Krampus comes out to punish children with switches in late December, and looks like a cross between Satan and a bear. He’s downright terrifying.
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posted on
11/17/2014 12:02:04 AM PST
by
mountainbunny
(Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
To: Don W
He’s a Moor from Spain. The chimney sweep thing came later. He’s dressed more like a Moor.
I have carefully preserved Dutch coloring books and a few Piet decorations and crafts which go up annually before Christmas.
I don’t think Piet is racist, and would remind people that not every country has the same history or traditions. The Dutch didn’t have a history of black face comedy, and so while on the surface it looks similar, it is not.
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posted on
11/17/2014 12:11:41 AM PST
by
mountainbunny
(Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
To: Impala64ssa
The new third-population of the area formerly known as the Netherlands doesn't care for the vestiges of the dying culture of the white Dutch.
Swaarte Piet will be completely gone in 5 years. Christmas will be gone from public life in 20.
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