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Vanity: Who was Gruber lying to? And did anyone really believe his lies?
11/15/2014 | Self

Posted on 11/15/2014 9:09:13 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt

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In the Age of Obama, there has been a meme: Who are the rubes? The genius', who've supported Obama have labeled the Tea Party, the Palins, the bitter clingers as the rubes; backward, bigots and usually unwashed. But these folks never believed Obama, the media or the Democrat Party.

Ron Fournier is only the latest among those who have outted themselves in a self-beclowning ritual about how Obama lied to them. To those, who have spent so much time and work supporting Obama and he re-payed them by lying to THEM!! Black Americans have voted for Obama out of racial solidarity twice at over 95% and these are the same people who have been most damaged by Obamanomics.

Who are the rubes? Those who were never taken in by the lies or those who believed Obama?

1 posted on 11/15/2014 9:09:13 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Jabba the Nutt

The left bought it hook line and sinker.


2 posted on 11/15/2014 9:12:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

You raise a good point. Washington is a bubble. Its a self-enclosed talking circle of politicians, bureaucrats and media.

The lie was for others in the bubble. Not that they necessarily believed the lie either, but rather, to have something they could point to and say: “see - look what the experts have created.”


3 posted on 11/15/2014 9:13:52 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Jabba the Nutt

"First, we Gruber and bankrupt Massachusetts,
and then impose Death Panels and Gruber them to Death."

"At the foundation of our civil liberties lies
the principle that denies to government officials
an exceptional position before the law and which
subjects them to the same rules of conduct
that are commands to the citizen."

Justice Louis D. Brandeis

4 posted on 11/15/2014 9:14:16 AM PST by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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5 posted on 11/15/2014 9:17:56 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Good point! When the Democrat Party Operatives showed up at Tea Party rally’s as racist, they got thrown out with the rest of the racist.

The TEA Party and Rush Radio is the good force, and anyone who says otherwise is low information (to be polite...).


6 posted on 11/15/2014 9:18:01 AM PST by Son House (Who's going to clean up Bush's mess now? </sarc>)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Correction: Ron Fournier is the Senior Political Columnist and Editorial Director at the National Journal, formerly with the AP.


7 posted on 11/15/2014 9:30:48 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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The comment about "stupid voters" distracted people from the lies and what the lies were actually all about.

Someone more educated on the Greek philosophers could correct me, but I think this is right out of Plato, the noble lie. The lie to get people to do the right thing, otherwise they'd be too stupid to do it.

8 posted on 11/15/2014 9:33:49 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
A very good piece of writing with a firm grasp of the history of the affair.

I would only add to the history that the bill was written deliberately in such a fashion so as to prevent a contrary analysis from becoming obvious. Hence, if you want to know what is in it you have to pass it. Nancy Pelosi's remarks was not as fatuous as it sounds if considered from this angle. The whole drama was designed to pass stealth legislation.

Gruber provided the cover for Democrats who could plausibly point to his study and talk about sunshine and unicorns. Obama went on the hustings and did the rest. The point all around was to suspend disbelief as you point out. Some of them like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama were no doubt explicitly guilty of lying. Most of the rest of the Democrats complied by suspending disbelief. Gruber was there to provide cover and to give the media a plausible hook.

The fact remains that taxpayer dollars were disreputably paid out to provide propaganda to mislead taxpayers. The Democrat elites were certainly possessed of guilty knowledge, the rest of them should have known, no doubt many of them did, some chose not to know.


9 posted on 11/15/2014 9:38:50 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Don’t forget the guppies on the Supreme Court.


10 posted on 11/15/2014 9:40:23 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: cripplecreek
The left bought it hook line and sinker

No they didn't. They thought (1) they were exempt and (2) they know what's best for everyone else.

Don't just blame the dems. RINOs in DC were all in, as long as their insurance sponsors got their profits. Romney wouldn't even campaign for 47% of the voters, he was so sure they didn't have the capacity to accept his wisdom.

It's the elite, both political parties. To them we're a cash crop for schemes to enhance their wealth and power. Lying is okay because we're too dumb to understand their superior wisdom.

I don't know how it ends well, unless the new DC crowd takes on the cause of saving the nation and our Constitution. Has there ever in history been an elite that willingly gave up their excess power?

11 posted on 11/15/2014 9:41:39 AM PST by grania
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"the stupidity of the American Voter"

Is anyone denying this when it comes to voters on the left? Obama was elected twice. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid - re elected, Ted Kennedy - re elected for almost half a century, even after he killed a woman. Hillary Clinton, Fauxcahontas Warren seriously considered as POTUS candidates.

12 posted on 11/15/2014 9:41:47 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Not all Muslims are terrorists but all Muslims are potential terrorists.)
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To: grania

OK you were stupid.

I’m not and wasn’t.


13 posted on 11/15/2014 9:43:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: cripplecreek
I don't understand your comment. I haven't had much belief in the DC crowd since GWB campaigned as a conservative and did some scary stuff that paved the way for Obama's excesses.

Come to think of it, my disillusionment goes back to George 1 and his out-of-control Department of Education.

15 posted on 11/15/2014 9:52:02 AM PST by grania
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I’m not the moron blaming republicans like a democrat dancing monkey.


16 posted on 11/15/2014 9:54:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: F15Eagle

Job Posting:
Wanted: SC Justice to save us from our political choices
Pay: Back’s a bitch!


17 posted on 11/15/2014 9:54:23 AM PST by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
There are lots of categories for lies. Maybe "Groober" can be a new type of lie. Anybody know how to edit Wikipedia?
Lie - Wikipedia


18 posted on 11/15/2014 9:56:07 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
I'll rephrase this a little. Who was Gruber lying for?

He truthfully said that it was important to make the workings of Obamacare non transparent. But why? Who benefited? The answer becomes clearer later when Obama and other Democrat leaders were able to openly lie about keeping your doctor and health care plan. Few could refute them because not enough people knew what was in Obamacare. Palin sounded a warning and was immediately set upon by the boot lickers in the MSM. Betsy Mccaughey knew what was in it but the MSM couldn't have cared less. In addition to having the MSM run interference for him, it was critical to have Obama's base of "stupid voters," Union Leaders, and leftist college professors supporting him.

Now the Gruber tapes have surfaced, and in a few days, the truth about Obamacare has been exposed, and suddenly no one knows who Gruber is.

19 posted on 11/15/2014 9:56:13 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: cripplecreek

You don’t think RINO elitists share responsibility for the mess we’re in?


20 posted on 11/15/2014 9:56:41 AM PST by grania
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