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This is the game plan we need to push ... That's why Reid wants a budget first
1 posted on 11/13/2014 5:30:18 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

McConnell is too unmotivated to govern.


2 posted on 11/13/2014 5:33:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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Bingo. And how many years did the Dems NOT pass a budget because it would hold them to account?


3 posted on 11/13/2014 5:34:06 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: 11th_VA
No sensible Republican wants another government shutdown.

BS. Who says?

/johnny

4 posted on 11/13/2014 5:34:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 11th_VA

REPUBLICAN APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR HAL ROGERS (KY) IS DETERMINED TO PASS A FULL OMNIBUS BILL TO COVER THROUGH 2015. HE NEEDS A RESPONSE FROM KY PATRIOTS.


5 posted on 11/13/2014 5:35:08 PM PST by magna carta
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To: 11th_VA

Shut that down and funding to the White Hut!


6 posted on 11/13/2014 5:35:10 PM PST by acapesket
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Cut off all funding of the White House. No money to do anything but enough food for the Obama family, heat, light and water to flush the toilets. Period!


7 posted on 11/13/2014 5:35:14 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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They’ll deem the budget passed or give a CR...


9 posted on 11/13/2014 5:36:34 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 11th_VA

Your assuming the blue bloods and country clubbers running the GOP want to stop him.

They want the issue, but are complicit.

They will do anything to fatten the bottom line, the middle class be dammed.


10 posted on 11/13/2014 5:40:07 PM PST by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: 11th_VA

Boehner and Mitch wants amnesty as much as Obama does.


11 posted on 11/13/2014 5:54:26 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 11th_VA

When either Reid refuses to bring the deal to the Senate floor or Obama vetoes it the government shutdown will be fait accompli and the sole fault of Obama.


12 posted on 11/13/2014 8:30:42 PM PST by Mike Darancette (AGW-e is the climate "Domino Theory")
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To: 11th_VA
Try thinking further inside the [constitutional] box now that Obama is thinking so far outside that box

Look for what Congress can do completely independent of the executive:

Compact clause would let multiple states design unified actions against their common problem given approval by Congress alone. And although I'm doctor, not a lawyer, so not sure, I believe Congress could restrict or regulate judicial oversight over that. I doubt California and a few other lefty strongholds would join such a Compact, but a fair chunk of the country might be helped. Because state participation would be voluntary, and most people won't understand it, this would be easier to sell... to our cowardly leadership.


If they want to floor it and be as bold as Obama they could use an undisputed Congressional power even public school grads recognize. Declare "War" on the problem. This is difficult, because the enemy is non-traditional and requires a careful definition. But to say it is impossible to declare "war" on illegals is an insult to congressional history and imagination; put some Ways and Means staffers on it! Tax law proves they can target ANYTHING.

It would take a fair amount of political willpower to win such a vote, although I'd argue it would take less than Obama's unilateral action it is intended to correct. And many have referred to the illegals as invaders; officially naming them so would receive more than token approval. Alas getting such action through our alleged leadership is less likely than Obama quiting his war on us.

But I can dream further. Congress should use the several appropriate other Article I, Section 8 enumerated powers "to make rules concerning captures," "to make rules for the government and regulation of land and naval forces," "for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union" (i.e. giving the states the authority to execute the laws Obama refuses to execute,) "to establish" a uniform rule of naturalization" (i.e. different than Obama's usurpation of their Article I powers). By carefully setting such rules a "war" on illegals could be a civilized, relatively non-violent affair and the rights of legals, Hispanic or otherwise, could and should be well protected. Note all of this is based completely on Article I, Obama is irrelevant. All that is required of the Executive branch is obedience.

And having Congress declare the agenda this way offers some advantages. With the illegals officially deemed "enemies" their supporters hazard new titles "in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Government officials, state or federal, knowingly providing welfare, tuition, health care, etc. to illegals would fit a normally hard to fulfill Congressional standard. A standard that is explicitly an exception to the Congressional immunities clause. Only Obama (and Biden?) would be immune. Congress (still alone) might want to tweak the penalties for that, as Article III explicitly allows. "Captured" illegals would be kept in "POW" camps awaiting return to their original homes. There's no bail from POW camps. The POW camps would need to meet Geneva standards, but anything fancier would be by Congressional, not Judicial, decree. Much thought should go into the details before undertaking such a large response. You have to be sure it is worth the political risks and no better option was available.

13 posted on 11/13/2014 10:02:16 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change)
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The RINO's are desperately, desperately trying to reach across the aisle and work with Obola. Obola keeps saving the RINO's from committing suicide with his narcissitic, idiotic actions that even the RINO's can't go along with.

If only Obola had the sense of an amoeba, he'd be so much further along with his plans to destroy America, it's unbelievable.

On ObolaCare, all he had to do was make a couple of concessions and he would have had RINO's scrambling aboard. Where would the GOP be today, if they couldn't be seen as opposing ObolaCare.

Obola's Children's Crusade bringing in tens of thousands of children from Central American radicalized public opinion against "immigration reform", which cost his party dozens of seats. In spite of that, the RINO's still want to do a deal with Obola. But he's giving them the back of his hand to such a degree, that even they, the sniveling weasels they are, can't go along with it.

Now, this is incompetence, destroying the chances of accomplishing your goals out of emotional fits of pique. Some liberals are now suspecting that Obola is a Republican Mole out to destroy their party for decades. Hehe.

14 posted on 11/14/2014 10:02:59 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: 11th_VA

Hal’s getting desperate:

“Matt Fuller @MEPFuller

An idea Hal Rogers is floating: Fund the government through an omnibus and then rescind specific appropriations if Obama acts on immigration”


19 posted on 11/18/2014 7:57:13 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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