Posted on 11/12/2014 8:54:51 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
There was strong opposition to Medicare before it went in to effect in 1965, but after that, the health program for seniors quickly became an accepted and even popular part of the U.S. medical system.
Supporters of the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s bold health reform law, often highlight the similarity to Medicare in terms of initial opposition. But Obamacare, as the ACA is known, is hardly catching on like Medicare did (at least not yet). In fact, the law suddenly seems more threatened than at any time since it was passed in 2010, and it’s now possible the whole unwieldy program could collapse.
Three things happened during the first 10 days of November that amount to a major downgrade in the prognosis for Obamacare. First, Republicans won a majority of seats in the Senate, giving them control of both houses of Congress. Second, the Obama administration sharply lowered its estimate for how many people will enroll in Obamacare in 2015. Third and probably most important, the Supreme Court agreed to hear a sleeper legal case that could have devastating consequences for Obamacare if the justices side with the plaintiffs.
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Because if Trey Gowdy and Ted Cruz have found out what the Democrats have on him, then giving in to blackmail again would no longer protect the secret.
That is how one blocks blackmail. Take protecting the secret off of the table.
One more item in favor of the Supreme Court tossing out Obamacare: Elena Kagan. When the Democrats held the Senate she could refuse to recuse herself regarding this monstrosity she helped write...but now refusing to recuse herself would be an opportunity for the Senate to remove her.
Huge difference.
Probably talking about the stupid voters in Congress.
But... that would require the Senators to "grow a pair".
That is not likely because of the RINOs in charge.
If the liberals on the court were smart, they would kill the ACA to save the Democrats. As it trickles out, each election cycle will bring another group of outraged voters as they get the bad news of changes affecting them. This is the gift that keeps on giving.
No, not Congress. From the first new Gruber video: “...call it stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really critical for the thing to pass...”
So it seems as if Gruber is basically saying that the American voter is stupid for voting for those in Congress who voted for Obamacare, and for voting for the President who supported Obamacare and who signed the bill into law.
Republicans sadly will not, repeal Obamacare, yes they will pass a token repeal which will be vetoed... but lets just fast forward to 2016 and assume Republicans get the white house too, I doubt with every fiber of my being they will actually fully repeal the mess.
I would love to say I am wrong about that, but I have zero confidence they will dump the law in its entirety, when they know it would be signed and not vetoed.
We shall see. The longer this thing exists in any form, the less likely it will be fully repealed, regardless of how the public feels.
You hit the crux of it. How does one tax an absence of commerce, or tax the lack of any activity for that matter? Rather it is a tax on "being". Under this legislative abomination, this is a penalty for having done nothing more than having been born.
Literally forced? No.Left with hardly any other option for health insurance? Yes.
So I suppose you could say that ObamaCare effectively makes not being in Medicare illegal.
“First, Republicans...
Second, the Obama admin...
Third and probably most....”
They forgot...
Fourth, the chief architect of Obamacare admitted that a lack of transparency and stupid Americans were key to passing the law.
He will be free of the albatross and blameless
It’ll be much more painful than that. The “Affordable” Care Act has never been affordable. That was the point of a majority of governors refusing to establish a State Exchange - the numbers didn’t add up for the state budget. The article starting this thread refers to the issue before the Court as a “technicality” twice, and as a "linguistic seam in the law.” But in reality that “linguistic seam” was in the law by design, and with malice aforethought for any Republican at the state level who rejected the creation of a state exchange. It was the club which the law’s architects intended and expected would force state politicians to bend to the federal leviathan’s will.Now that most state governments have called the ObamaCare bluff, ObamaCare’s proponents want to walk that threat back as a "seam in the law.” But that won’t wash. Because if SCOTUS were to allow an administration to substantively edit a bill after its passage into law, Congress and the courts might just as well pack it in. They would be irrelevant for all future time.
The ACA has never been affordable, but when SCOTUS overturns Obama’s rewrite, all that will happen is that the law will become even more unaffordable to millions of people. Obama cares not a whit about that, but the problem is that some Democrats may aspire to reelection in 2016 or 2018. As matters now stand, they think they can ride out public hostility to a vote to sustain a veto of an ObamaCare repeal. After actual enforcement of the law puts the screws to their constituents, tho, that equation might look a little different.
Obamacare cannot survive.
His only major 'achievement' would have been killed.
His Presidential legacy will be destroyed!
He has nothing he can point to as an achievement.
The GOP knows that it was given power to repeal it!
Moreover, it is going to collapse under it's own weight, since people are not signing up for it.
Low Information Voters = LIV
Story of his life. Why should his term as president be any different?
We will see....
Obamacare will die when Dems cut ranks with Obama... since they still don’t seem willing to do so, I will not hold my breath waiting for its demise.
To repeal prior to the next presidential election will require 13 Democratic senators to switch their votes....
Every senator and congressman that voted for this crap has now faced the electorate at least once. Granted those that did so in 2010 did so prior to the debacle that was the implementation... so you could make the argument that 1/3 of the Senate may have to deal with the fallout in 16, but I think that’s a bit of a stretch.
To repeal prior to 16 you will need 13 non republicans senators to abandon support for the law, as well as a larger number of democratic congressmen and vote to override the assured presidential veto of a full repeal. As much as I’d love to watch those just desserts happen, given the Democratic Senators followed Reid and Obama into the abyss for the last 6 years I doubt its going to happen. IN the house, you might be able to muster up the needed votes, maybe, but that’s still a larger order.
I remain cynical that even with a full republican house, senate and white house that a full repeal will happen.. I do not hold my breath that those that have voted for full repeal before will do so again when they know there isn’t an assured veto waiting to keep the law alive.
Too many special interests and sycophant donors want this, on both sides of the isle... I just remain skeptical it will get fully repealed the longer it goes, regardless of how big a fustercluck it is.
The american people don’t want it, but that’s not what’s kept it alive this long.
If the democrats get on board with a full repeal, I think you’ll see it happen, but for now, they seem unwilling to cut the cord of the yoke dragging them into oblivion called Obama. THe party has purged itself of anyone who won’t carry ideological leftist purity... THe Blue Dog democrats of the south are all but gone, they are a party of urban, north easterners being driven purely by leftist ideologues at this point... I just don’t see those left standing with D’s beside their names willing to undo this disaster, no matter how bad it is, because its literally all the party has to cling to at this point.
Time will tell....
Thnx!
Skepticism understood. But ya gotta admit, an awful lot of state governments have faced down the “subsidy thru state exchanges only” threat (NOT a bug, a “feature”) of ObamaCare. Which is the only reason ObamaCare is going back before SCOTUS.
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