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To: wagglebee

I am 100% against abortion.

This woman wants to regulate women’s fertility.

I don’t see what one has to do with the other. Well, actually I do. Less contraception, more abortion.

Why would anyone force a woman to conceive a child that is unwanted or not able to be cared for? This kind of attitude is fodder for the “pro-choice” folks.


4 posted on 11/05/2014 11:36:11 AM PST by saleman (?)
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To: saleman
You forgot a word here:

"This woman wants *WOMEN* to regulate women’s fertility."

Fixed it for you.

13 posted on 11/05/2014 12:25:11 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: saleman
"Less contraception, more abortion" is a car\se where a lovely and even intuitive theory gets knocked down by a gang of brutal facts.

The fact is, abortion and contraception go up in tandem.

Now, why would that be?

(Think, think, think.)

The problem seems to be this:

Your idea that contraception reduces unintended pregnancies is a perfectly reasonable inference from pharmacological evidence, but not a reasonable inference from societal evidence. Your conclusion is obvious, common-sensical, and factually incorrect.

This is because contraception has two principal results, one intended and one unintended.

A contraceptive reduces the odds of any particular act of intercourse resulting in pregnancy.

But the easy availability of contraceptives spawns a mentality which holds that intercourse, once intended for procreation and for pleasure, is now intended for pleasure tout court.

The first (intended) consequence has resulted in fewer births per x number of acts of intercourse, albeit with a 3% - 30% typical-use "failure" rate (Highly relevant link on contraceptive failure rates).---an offensive term, but its meaning is "pregnancy rate." The second (unintended) consequence has been a massive increase in the frequency of intercourse between people who are not married to each other, hardly even like each other, are not building a life together, and/or, even if married, have no intention of being co-responsible for a baby.

Altogether, 53% of unplanned pregnancies occur to women who are using contraceptives (that includes the Pill, condoms, jellies, jams, and sprays), but nearly 100% of these women are surprised, affronted, feel angry, betrayed, etc. by the now-shocking fact that sex led to pregnancy.

This number is greater than the number of men who feel that way, because increasingly, men don't think about it at all. ("Pregnancy? Well, whatever. That's her problem.")

This leads to promiscuity, divorces, abortion, skyrocketing STD's (HPV now infecting one in four sexually active Americans), sub-baboon levels of sexual responsibility, mutual contempt between men and women, mutual contempt between parents and children, etc.

Contraceptives were the paraphernalia of Ye Olde Sexual Revolution. That's old news. That happened 50 years ago. What's happened since --- the 50 million American abortions and the 30% American illegitimacy rate (in the most contraceptive - subsidized communities, 70% illegitimacy) is the result.

(Just waiting for the typical liberal response: It didn't work? Well, that's because we didn't do it enough! Do it earlier! Easier! Faster! Door-to-door! Coast-to-coast! Make it mandatory! Above all, let's throw more money at it...)

16 posted on 11/05/2014 12:37:45 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: saleman

Language can be confusing. Try thinking your ideas through before committing them for just anybody to read. Then, perhaps, you can explain your concerns.


19 posted on 11/05/2014 12:45:38 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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