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Oil Below $80: The First Shoes Drop
Forbes ^ | 11/04/2014 | Loren Steffy

Posted on 11/05/2014 5:09:15 AM PST by thackney

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1 posted on 11/05/2014 5:09:15 AM PST by thackney
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To: thackney

Now we know WHY oil prices suddenly dropped. The Saudis want the U.S. OUT of fracking in order to control the market. They also knew the people were going to vote the way they did, so they waited to make it rough on Republicans. Shrewd, evil people they are.


2 posted on 11/05/2014 5:14:14 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: thackney

Lower oil prices are good for the economy in both the short and long term! This is true for any commodity, as price equilibrium sets in, supply stabilizes and creates a level of certainty necessary for planning.

Additionally, higher energy prices means higher prices for everything else. Not good!!


3 posted on 11/05/2014 5:14:36 AM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Oil prices are dropping because the U.S. dollar has been gaining strength against almost every other world currency in recent months. There’s really nothing more to it than that.


4 posted on 11/05/2014 5:16:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

At $75~80 a barrel, it won’t end hydraulic fracturing and horizontal steerable drilling in tight formation like shale.

It will certainly slow down the growth. It will drive down the cost of the companies providing services like HydroFrac since the demand will not be driven above reasonable supply.

But at those prices, it will still grow the number of wells, just at a more reasonable pace.


5 posted on 11/05/2014 5:17:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Fracking is not going away. The possibility of fracking will keep the prices down a certain amount. And fracking will become cheaper, less quickly than if there is less of it being done for a time but it will continue to get cheaper all the time. The fact is the oil is in American ground and off American shore.The Saudi dominance is gone. If the Sauds induce the price to decline to $40 to retain their dominance, fracking has done much of its job. The price cannot rise again without American production ramping up again and displacing Saudi oil in the market. Eventually it will be cheap enough that the Sauds don’t have sufficient cost advantage to keep American wells out of production. And the Saudi fields are depleting.


6 posted on 11/05/2014 5:20:15 AM PST by arthurus
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To: SpirituTuo
Lower oil prices are good for the economy in both the short and long term!

Not so fast!

Super low oil prices will also cut jobs in the Dakotas, and shut down domestic energy. They are also an indicator of a weak economy.

7 posted on 11/05/2014 5:20:45 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Not so much shrewd as desperate.


8 posted on 11/05/2014 5:20:57 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Alberta's Child
Oil prices are dropping because the U.S. dollar has been gaining strength against almost every other world currency in recent months. There’s really nothing more to it than that.

A little more than that. But the dollar strength is certainly lowering the dollars per barrel cost.

Note the recent change in the price per barrel/gold.


9 posted on 11/05/2014 5:21:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

The House of Saud ain’t get tin’ its’ monies worth from the Clinton Foundation!


10 posted on 11/05/2014 5:22:53 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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Then why has the cost of food kept rising, milk now is over $4 a gallon. And if you are trying to avoid those growth hormones it is MORE!

Even the Military Commissary has milk at $4 a gal. Bread at over $2. Meat is out the roof and becoming unfordable, unless you like to eat bologna and hot dogs and they don’t come to cheap either.


11 posted on 11/05/2014 5:25:36 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Alberta's Child

not even supply and demand?


12 posted on 11/05/2014 5:26:27 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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Then why has the cost of food kept rising, milk now is over $4 a gallon.

Did you post on the wrong thread?

13 posted on 11/05/2014 5:28:34 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Oil prices are dropping because the U.S. dollar has been gaining strength against almost every other world currency in recent months. There’s really nothing more to it than that.”

Then why are the Saudi’s dropping their price for the US and raising their price (in US dollars) for other regions?


14 posted on 11/05/2014 5:32:00 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: thackney

The strength of the dollar is pushing oil and other commodities lower.


15 posted on 11/05/2014 5:32:46 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Oil was at 115 USD/bbl in mid-June. It opens today at 78 and change USD/bbl.

The dollar has not strengthened that much against other currencies, but it will be appreciating against the yen for some time.

Over the past FOUR MONTHS, the US has increased production by 500,000 barrels per day. Libya has moved from 200k bbl/day to 900k bbl/day.

IEA projection for 2014 global demand growth was only 700k bbl/day. In other words, supply is exceeding projected demand by somewhere in the neighbourhood of a half million barrels/day.

Strong dollar is only part of the equation. Supply/demand is out of whack. Emphasis on “whack”, which is what the Saudis are trying to do to US export potential.


16 posted on 11/05/2014 5:34:41 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: RC one

That would have an effect, for sure. But the pricing in U.S. dollars is the biggest factor, in my mind.


17 posted on 11/05/2014 5:34:42 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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It would be nice to see that graph overlayed on a second Y-axis showing the nominal dollar price of oil.


18 posted on 11/05/2014 5:35:45 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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To: thackney
Low energy cost is good for the economy, except of course for the sector that produces that energy.
If Saudi oil is cheap this week, by all means buy it.
But we must keep our domestic production going, to make sure OPEC can't raise the price willy-nilly.

19 posted on 11/05/2014 5:35:55 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Exactly - the Saudis want the US out of fracking in order to control the market, and are having a fire sale in order to do this.


20 posted on 11/05/2014 5:36:33 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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