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To: ConservingFreedom

Recognizing that people and society is not perfect and not perfectible is the antithesis of Utopian. Desiring laws that are necessary to curb dangerous things is not Utopian by definition.


26 posted on 11/05/2014 11:17:27 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

I see a statist logic in the line of reasoning. All vice gets to belong to the state to manage - dope, prostitutes, etc. It’s really just another way to undermine virtue and expand the state.


28 posted on 11/05/2014 11:36:36 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: GeronL
it's criminalization of vice that's utopian, as it leaves vice intact while enriching criminals and putting vice outside the realm of effective regulation.

Recognizing that people and society is not perfect and not perfectible is the antithesis of Utopian. Desiring laws that are necessary to curb dangerous things is not Utopian by definition.

To criminalize is not to curb, but in fact to remove the ability to curb - as I said, "putting vice outside the realm of effective regulation." For example: widespread tainting of alcohol existed in the USA only when alcohol was criminalized; and since well before any state had legalized pot, teens have reported that they could get it more easily than beer or cigarettes ... which is to be expected since legal sellers card and illegal sellers don't.

31 posted on 11/05/2014 11:48:29 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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