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To: Innovative

Well, not being dumb as a stump, my first move would not be to FALSELY INSULT my fellow conservatives with whom I disagreed. You don’t win people over to your POV that way. You simply cement their opposition and ignite their antipathy.

Now if I held your view, and I wanted to actually accomplish something, the first thing I would do is to state that I understood the other conservatives’ position. I.e.: establish a modicum of common ground, which lies not in *agreement* but in simply understanding. I doubt you do or even *can* truly grasp the opposition to your stance, so that option is out/unavailable to you.

So all you can really do is NOT totally alienate fellow conservatives who see this issue differently from you, while at the same time making the strongest case you can for the course of action you recommend. Notice what is missing? The insults. They are counterproductive. If you have two brain cells to rub together, drop that approach ASAP.

Otherwise, here’s a really fun option for you. Take a true conservative with whom you disagree—I volunteer for this experiment—and do this. Insult them, insult them some more, and then just keep on insulting them. Ask them to let you know when you have sufficiently insulted them to win them over to your POV.

As I said, I’d be delighted to volunteer. More fun than a barrel of monkeys.


91 posted on 10/28/2014 10:25:02 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

Thanks for getting to the heart of the matter...well written[said].

When all is said and done and the smoke clears, ALL FReepers still need to be able to join one another for future battles.

These kinds of threads/comments can make it all but impossible to do so because once bitten, twice shy.

In the future, why would I align myself with someone with whom I am now in disagreement?

Who clearly doesn’t respect/understand me or my position enough to treat me with some basic common decency, courtesy and respect?


94 posted on 10/28/2014 10:34:41 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Good post, I agree. However, they are not going to drop the insults, the intimidation and the blame when the consequences of what the Ruling Class GOP has done is made manifest.

The cognitive dissonance and Normalcy Bias that infects the majority of such people is rooted in willful ignorance and fear.

Willful ignorance of the fact that the entire electoral process is now totally corrupted. Cook County went national and is employed by both parties to ensure their ruling class maintains power. It is a willful and chosen ignorance because to accept the truth of where we have arrived leaves little in the way of civil solutions to the tyranny we have become accustomed.

Fear is what motivates the lashing out and insults. The fear is motivated by the short-sighted view that we need massive numbers to overcome both the Democrats and fraud in order to ‘win’. They are not looking at the fruits of the Ruling Class GOP or their words. They deceive themselves and delight in being deceived that if the GOP ‘wins’ that this entire transformative agenda can be stopped, even when the GOP leadership has told us in advance that they are going to surrender power to the Democrats and fund Obama’s agenda.

The rest are GOP Party hacks - who will intimidate, threaten, insult and berate in a vain attempt to get us to shut up and get in line, so it is seen by others who have similar unfavorable views of the GOP.

For party hacks this is all just a political game - and to them, Conservative Principles are childish and need to be left at home under the bed when you go vote.

You are absolutely correct. They are not winning anyone over to their cause, instead they are strengthening our resolve and solidifying our own animus to the Republican party itself, which in my view - is already dead.


103 posted on 10/28/2014 10:52:05 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fantasywriter

It’s very simple logic — REAL conservatives don’t advocate voting for and putting people like Reid, Pelosi and Obama in power.

Therefore, anyone who advocates keeping them in power is NOT a conservative, but indeed just someone trying to con some actual conservatives into a self destructive action.

Therefore calling such people trolls is indeed accurate and is not an insult to real conservatives.


106 posted on 10/28/2014 10:53:31 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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