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To: Swordmaker
> There are two systems of law in America, criminal and civil. The Seventh amendment flatly states that the right to a Jury trial exists when the value in controversy exceeded $20 — assuming all these are indeed in excess of $20, does this not mean that the IRS is violating the 7th Amendment? (And doesn't that also mean that 18USC242 and 241 apply?)

They get around this by SUING THE MONEY or PROPERTY, not you. Look in the publication of public record where they are "supposed" to publish the actions. You will see these "State of California v. $10,256" cases. I saw these on day when I was bored and started reading the legal ads. There were dozens of them! You'd also see things like "State of California v. 2005 Honda Accord" and "State of California v. XYZ 24 foot fishing boat" There'd be some description of where it was seized and a show cause for someone to appear, but they sue asset, not a person. The asset and money have no rights.

Hm, then does it work the other way?
Citizen X v. Federal Building on Main St

Somehow I think they'd trip all over themselves saying you can't do that!, Illegitimate!, and Foul! if someone tried.
(Hell, I bet the judge would throw it out, on standing, and then declare that such created a damage to the honor and dignity of the State, thus allowing them to [counter-]sue the person too.)

36 posted on 10/27/2014 7:12:27 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; Swordmaker

Why do we never hear of the word-smiths on OUR side?

IE: Assets = Property. All property belongs to SOMEONE (possessions being 9/10’s and all); thus, suing a THING *is* farcical on its face.

Hell, I’d love to start up a suit to go all the way to the top on how income tax supposedly does NOT equate to slavery, and thus unconstitutional. Even using the most liberal of definitions: Slaver = involuntary subjection to another or others (IE: welfare, etc.). As the IRS ‘wins’ 99% of its cases, there can be no Justice.

Course, as you postulated, it would most likely be tossed out for ‘standing’ and I’d wind up in prison as the whim of the black robed oligarchy.


41 posted on 10/27/2014 11:03:31 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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