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The other thing with a lot of these chaps driving late model turbo-diesel trucks that host engines that respond very well to horsepower mods (turbo overboost, etc.) is that they find that they can pretty easily make 600+ horsepower/torque but they're still driving a *truck*.

Trucks like to swap ends around on your really fast when traction is lost, dry or wet. Panic brake at either high speed or on ice and you'll do a 180 before you know what happened. Terrifying, especially on our shady mountain roads where black ice lurks in the shadows.

I've lost count of two things:

1. How many times I've come upon the scene of an accident involving a truck where the truck is pointing back away from the flow of traffic (tells the whole story)... and:

2. How many times I've seen 4x4 vehicles upside down or laying on their side in the ditch when the snow comes down or on an icy road; Honchos that lift their trucks too often seem to pick precisely the wrong tires for inclement weather: Fat and wide knobby M/T tires are like driving on bald tires in ice and snow. Tall and skinny A/T tires with plenty of siping wins on icy/snowy roads.

All I have to do is take one look at a guy's truck to tell if he either knows what the hell he's doing or let some tire-mounting retard at the tire store sell him what looked bitchin'.

Winter is coming soon, and I'll be seeing a few dozen more accidents from the flatlanders coming up to ski the resorts in Tahoe who were sure that just having 4x4 is all they needed.