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To: dennisw

The argument was that the illegal didn’t know the information belonged to another person. Forget the fact that they conspired to acquire unlawful documentation, you mean to tell me that they were so dumb they didn’t think it was illegitimate?

Last I checked, ignorance of the law is not a valid legal precept.

America’s waning days are growing ever so much more troubling.


9 posted on 10/21/2014 6:15:27 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

The argument was that the illegal didn’t know the information belonged to another person. Forget the fact that they conspired to acquire unlawful documentation, you mean to tell me that they were so dumb they didn’t think it was illegitimate?

Last I checked, ignorance of the law is not a valid legal precept.


Using fake papers and using stolen papers are two different things. He may have fully believed he was using fake papers, but that is a different crime.


25 posted on 10/21/2014 6:21:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rarestia

“Consider, Justice Alito said, a defendant who chooses a Social Security number at random.

“If it turns out that the number belongs to a real person,” Justice Alito wrote, “two years will be added to the defendant’s sentence, but if the defendant is lucky and the number does not belong to another person, the statute is not violated.”

I guess from now on, I’ll travel any speed I want on the highway. As long as prosecutors cannot PROVE I saw or knew the speed limit, I won’t be guilty of violating it. After all, I may not have known what the speed limit was. I might have thought those signs were advisory only. I might not understand what a speedometer is, or have suspected mine was inaccurate. And it will be up to prosecutors to prove otherwise...

Oh wait. I’m white. I’m American. I’m guilty until proven innocent. Maybe I should go to court and change my name to Martinez. Then I could do as I pleased.


65 posted on 10/21/2014 6:55:53 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: rarestia

The Constitution was established assuming Americans would remain an honorable honest bunch.

The left has gradually (incrementalism) been able to use the faith of the Constitution to subvert its intent and undermine its honor.


73 posted on 10/21/2014 7:05:26 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: rarestia
"...you mean to tell me that they were so dumb they didn’t think it was illegitimate?"

Illegitimate could be a fabricated number, not stolen. The wiggle here, is the guy apparently used his own name, with the bogus docs.

It's still fraud, and you are quite right, ignorance of the law shouldn't apply.

74 posted on 10/21/2014 7:05:32 AM PDT by moehoward
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