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Supreme Court Overturns Illegal Immigrant’s ID Theft Conviction (2009)
judicialwatch ^ | MAY 04, 2009 | judicialwatch

Posted on 10/21/2014 6:10:29 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: citizen
-- Law, as this layman sees it, is, at the conclusion of the matter, all too often a vehicle or a tool used by the unscrupulous to dodge or minimize the consequences of their conscious actions. --

The legal answer for just about everything is "it depends." I think that answer also applies when one is critiqeuing the institution. Some cases are handled properly, well, and the outcome is just. I think it's accurate to say that a majority of civil actions are handled that way.

But on social issues (immoral and perverted actions turned into constitutional imperitives at the whim of the courts; stripping people of the means of force of violence), and on some civil matters, and on some criminal cases, the process is subverted.

It's tough to figure out how to stand and view an institution like that - that has quite a bit of good, and quite a bit of bad. I wouldn't reject all of the institution, but it certainly doesn't deserve the degree of respect and obedience that it thinks it's entitled to.

I absolutely agree with your sentiment. The law is all too often a tool used to perpetrate an injustice.

81 posted on 10/21/2014 7:23:36 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: yldstrk
I'll have to keep this in mind the next time I apply for a credit card. See judge, I didn't know it was another person's real SSN. Yeah Right!
82 posted on 10/21/2014 7:39:00 AM PDT by Desron13
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To: dennisw

The prosecuter is at fault in this case. The proper charge would be fraud of misrepresenting themselves. They knew the papers were false, after all.


83 posted on 10/21/2014 7:39:20 AM PDT by captain_dave
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To: Cboldt

Yes, I agree, there are many well reasoned settlements, verdicts or other outcomes.

The cases we speak of are those that make the news, sometimes primarily because of the circumvention of justice.

I see where the blade runner gets only 5 years for slaughtering his girlfriend but will likely serve less than one year of that term.


84 posted on 10/21/2014 7:50:10 AM PDT by citizen (Hopefully, the MSM will again be making a big deal of high gas prices come Jan 20, 2017.)
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To: dennisw

Everything for illegals, crumbs for citizens.


85 posted on 10/21/2014 7:55:50 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: dennisw

An interesting question that I have thought about is if another person steals my identity and he is living as me and if I hunt him down and kill him then I am killing myself; that is, committing suicide rather than murder.

Yeah, I know, wouldn’t work that way but it is an interesting mental game.


86 posted on 10/21/2014 7:57:57 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: dennisw

I hope family members of these dead heads are the next victims


87 posted on 10/21/2014 8:01:55 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: montag813

Check out what fast food workers make in Norway and Australia. It is high! OK with me if the economic system is not out of wack

“McDonald’s Workers in Denmark Make $21 An Hour”


88 posted on 10/21/2014 8:27:56 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Tennessee Nana; dennisw; Liz; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“”The Supreme Court has unanimously ruled that an illegal immigrant who used stolen documents to work is not guilty of identity theft because he didn’t know the information belonged to another person.
______________________________________________

“he didn’t know the information belonged to another person”

Okaaaaay””

I didn’t know that the Chamber of Amnesty (Commerce) owned the SCOTUS too....


89 posted on 10/21/2014 9:05:26 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: dennisw

Maybe the illegal alien was told that the documents were made up, i.e., the name, SS#, etc. were made from whole cloth.


90 posted on 10/21/2014 9:10:50 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The mods stole my tagline.)
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To: dennisw
Can someone somehow explain the legal reasoning behind this. How this critter is not guilty of stealing someones SS number? Thanks!

It's actually quite simple. Illegals can do whatever they want... drink and drive without a license, steal identities, and have their unvaccinated children attend school. Laws only apply to the citizens that pay for everything.

You're welcome!

91 posted on 10/21/2014 9:26:39 AM PDT by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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To: dennisw

Guess who needs their identification stolen and we will see a change?.
A liberal is someone who hasn’t been mugged.


92 posted on 10/21/2014 9:33:22 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: moehoward

“Assume he thought he was buying a legit doc from a corrupt official.”

Doesn’t pass the smell test. People who provide false IDs don’t do business in the open. If I went looking for a fake ID, I would automatically assume that the ID was illegal.


93 posted on 10/21/2014 9:43:02 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: dennisw; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

94 posted on 10/21/2014 10:13:52 AM PDT by HiJinx (Time to read "EFAD" once again...)
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To: griswold3

Imagine if the same standard was applied to the filing of tax returns.


95 posted on 10/21/2014 10:17:25 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: dennisw

Technically the court is correct from the point of a criminal prosecution. This requires the famous “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard of proof. Civil liability would be a different story.

Forgetting details of law is often a sign of having fallen into a rage. How dare that blankety blank do that, let us throw any old book any which way. But that is to throw in with the moral side of the lawbreaker. Satan never can cast out Satan.


96 posted on 10/21/2014 10:22:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Vigilanteman

It usually is, remember the IRS can grandly ding you with civil penalties.


97 posted on 10/21/2014 10:22:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yep! Thereby proving once again that U.S. Citizens just aren’t quite equal to illegal aliens.


98 posted on 10/21/2014 10:25:21 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Oh wow, this earth is full of sinners. Tell me some news for a change.


99 posted on 10/21/2014 10:26:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Again. That was a devil's advocate scenario. Jose coming from a country where corruption is as ingrained in the culture as the tortilla, could plausibly assume……

Bottom line is apparently the guy used his real name and a bogus number. Presenting that SS card was a crime that was committed intentionally. But it wasn't a theft.

100 posted on 10/21/2014 10:50:26 AM PDT by moehoward
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