Posted on 10/19/2014 12:42:34 PM PDT by Kaslin
The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution is crystal clear in meaning.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
FBI Director, James Comey, an Obama appointment, does not give a damn what the Constitution says.
In a recent speech, Comey warns If Apple and Google Won't Decrypt Phones, We'll Force Them To
Everyone is stoked that the latest versions of iOS and Android will (finally) encrypt all the information on your smartphone by default. Except, of course, the FBI: Today, its director spent an hour attacking the companies and the very idea of encryption, even suggesting that Congress should pass a law banning the practice of default encryption.Safe That Cannot be Cracked
It's of course no secret that James Comey and the FBI hate the prospect of "going dark," the idea that law enforcement simply doesn't have the technical capability to track criminals (and the average person) because of all those goddamn apps, encryption, wifi network switching, and different carriers.
"Encryption isn’t just a technical feature; it’s a marketing pitch … it’s the equivalent of a closet that can’t be opened. A safe that can’t be cracked. And my question is, at what cost?" Comey said. "Both companies [Apple and Google] are run by good people, responding to what they perceive is a market demand. But the place they are leading us is one we shouldn’t go to without careful thought and debate."
Probably. There's a lot of incompetence in government though. Perhaps some folks might get lucky and have the criminal incompetence of the average governemnt worker work for them for a change.
The arrogance of this man to assume that the United States has the monopoly on brainpower - that other nations and groups would be unable to discover and utilize these ‘back doors’ - is astounding.
“these are the kind of people the founding father went to war against and killed. remember the kinds of people that souldn’t be allowed to live when cwii is kicked off by the government.”
Imo, we’d probably be very surprised at what the FF would think TODAY, especially that the real problem is the SHEEP. This current renegade admin is only doing what they have deceived the people into letting them do. In fact, due to our consistent inaction to remove/replace a usurping gov. the FF would quickly come to the conclusion that we are not worthy of a nation such as ours. It’s easy to see that they would be hard-pressed to understand HOW the very foundation of America has been washed free from it’s people in such a short time.
i’m not so sure. there were plenty of sheeple back then. plus loyalists.
our founding fathers attempted to work within the system for several decades as things went bad to worse, until the point of revolt.
further the sophistication of arms back then are far in favor of bigbro. i believe they’d nuke citizens. they’d call in foreign armies if they aren’t already here. they’d offer amnesty tovillegals to fight citizens. i see no end to their lowness. the founding fathers had no master plan to kill off ten-twenty million of its own citizens in armored boxcars with shackles.
“Not so.”
That little unassuming link leads to a long and fascinating read. Thank you.
TL;DR - a warrantless search of an arrestee’s pockets is largely for the purpose of identifying anything which is either an immediate threat to officers, or destructible evidence of crime. A modern phone is less “phone” than a largely complete collection of “one’s papers and effects”, and searching it without adjudicated cause is more a warrantless fishing expedition in the pervasive records of one’s life than a casual glance at what may be obviously & instantly incriminating. Case entailed someone pulled over for an expired license plate, leading to a murder conviction due to a crime scene photo on perp’s smartphone. Chief Justice Roberts actually ends the long legal analysis with “get a warrant”.
The link in #87 includes the Supreme Court stating exactly that point.
Pretty serious if SCOTUS is reminding (in 2013) the government that the line it’s crossing is the same line that sparked the Revolutionary War. Roberts was _very_ clear about what he was saying.
Decryption is possible, but requires significant effort (even for the government) to do so. They’re not going to throw that much NSA-level computing power at a particular encrypted phone without compelling reason to do so.
FBI director is complaining that Apple et al aren’t making it trivially easy.
They just want metadata so everybody go back to sleep...
Encrypted-by-default will come to the cloud too (wherever it isn’t already).
“the founding fathers had no master plan to kill off ten-twenty million of its own citizens in armored boxcars with shackles.”
No, but God DOES.
that’s NOT God’s plan if men devise it.
God’s Perfect Will is not the same as His Permissive Will.
God only does good. He permits men to do a certain amount of evil. That doesn’t mean He thinks the evil that men do is good.
“that’s NOT God’s plan if men devise it.
God’s Perfect Will is not the same as His Permissive Will.
God only does good. He permits men to do a certain amount of evil. That doesn’t mean He thinks the evil that men do is good.”
You misinterpreted my post, as I should have been more descriptive in my response. I wasn’t asserting that God thinks the evil men do is good, or that He is going to kill millions of innocent people. Not at all. What I was/am asserting, is that God has a plan for those that devise evil. For those, who are ‘spiritually wicked’. Satan is the one who devises these plans, and then causes men to do his bidding because their hearts are “wicked”.
The FF (during that time) may not have had a “master plan” as how to deal with the Darkness that is abound within our leadership ‘today’, but they DID KNOW that men were evil in their hearts, and if given the opportunity to exercise that evil, they would....therefore crafting a document containing specific instructions as to how remove/replace a usurping interlopers. It is a solution to re-establishing our way of life & law, which ARE the PEOPLE. This responsibility belongs to us, and no one else. We just don’t/won’t do it.
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