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Rove Agonistes Karl Rove’s metamorphosis into legend is now complete.
National Review Online ^ | 10/19/14 | Kevin Williamson

Posted on 10/19/2014 5:02:30 AM PDT by shuck and yall

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To: shuck and yall
In the 2004 Toomey–Specter showdown, Senator Specter was carried across the finish line not by Rove but by a much more considerable figure: President George W. Bush, his right flank bolstered by Rick Santorum.

Santorum defenders have arguments for that, but when they learn that he also supported Specter in 2010, they grow silent, and when they learn about Santorum and Specter's pro abortion presidential activities in 1996, they are shocked.

21 posted on 10/19/2014 9:22:28 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: shuck and yall
I'm trying to figure out why you post so many articles that expound on the virtues of the GOP(e) and those within it, while minimizing any legitimate disdain and mistrust of both.

I've even considered that you might be a paid operative.

Are you?

22 posted on 10/19/2014 10:07:20 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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23 posted on 10/19/2014 10:16:13 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: CatherineofAragon

And to you, as well. Thank you.


24 posted on 10/19/2014 12:18:04 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: shuck and yall

My considered opinion is . . . Karl is an ass.


25 posted on 10/19/2014 12:18:30 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Ping.


26 posted on 10/19/2014 12:22:07 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: shuck and yall

The purpose of this love fest wouldn’t be to counter the news that came out last week that Rove buried the fact that WMDs were found, would it? Naaaahhhhhh!! The timing is just coincidence, surely....


27 posted on 10/19/2014 12:25:44 PM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
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To: shuck and yall
hoping this article would not be met with knee jerk hatred, but a quiet mind to weigh what it actually says

I hope so too but around here I doubt it

28 posted on 10/19/2014 12:38:50 PM PDT by woofie
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To: uncitizen

It appeared to me the stuff about Rove and WMDs is just that ...stuff

It scame from The NY Times (one of the most trustworthy of sources as we all know ) and Rick Santorum (who might be wanting to build himself up before running for President again)

But lets take it at face value ...Rove’s advice about WMDs was to shut up and say nothing....GW Bush very rarely did anything for purely political motives and he certainly did not have to agree with Rove on this....

In short I think there is a lot more to the story

Of course any story that badmouths Rove has got to be the Gospel on FR


29 posted on 10/19/2014 12:48:00 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

It seems a bit like you’ve thrown everything at the wall and hope something sticks. I personally wouldn’t go through that much trouble for Karl Rove, but you certainly have every right to.


30 posted on 10/19/2014 12:59:05 PM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
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To: uncitizen

just to be clear Im neither defending Rove nor maligning him ...I agree with the article and think he is good at what he does...and that the extreme hostility around FR for Rove is built on a lot of false premises.


31 posted on 10/19/2014 1:07:59 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Zhang Fei
I don’t have a problem with Karl Rove, but it would be nice if we had someone like Lee Atwater as the GOP’s pre-eminent political strategist rather than Rove, someone who understood how to go for the jugular while winning votes.

Lee Atwater is a bit of a myth himself and there's no telling whether what he was supposed to have done in the 80s would work today. If you look at what he was saying at the end of his life it's also hard to say what he would have evolved into a quarter century later.

The speculation, though, is that if he'd lived Bush would have put up more of a fight in 1992 and maybe even won. Atwater wouldn't have done any good in 2008, and it's hard to say if his approach would have worked in 2012. I guess a little more aggressiveness couldn't have hurt the Republicans.

32 posted on 10/19/2014 1:10:08 PM PDT by x
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To: shuck and yall
Very good article. Rove has become a symbol for whatever it is people don't like in the GOP. I don't love the guy, but the party's problems are always bigger than one person.

Williamson is right that you can't expect a campaign strategist like Rove to be purely a rallier and an exhorter like Limbaugh or Hannity. That's just not his strong suit.

33 posted on 10/19/2014 1:18:36 PM PDT by x
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To: Diogenesis

I’m willing to give Rove credit for managing a couple of winning campaigns but that’s all he’s good at. He ought to stay out of sight and shut the bleep up about policy, conservatives, tea parties, wars, welfare, amnesty and everything else I can think of. I knew he was a one trick elephant when he told the story of how he met Bush 43 who showed up in town wearing his flight suit and cowboy boots-—Rove called that charisma. I knew then that he’s what I call one-dimensional and not to be relied on for anything except counting electoral votes.


34 posted on 10/19/2014 2:30:14 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: shuck and yall

Ronald Reagan won 2 landslides without Karl Rove and the Christian Rightbbecame a power player in the GOP. With Karl Rove managing the GOP, Republicans barely win, some lose to Dems and moving to the left has meant the Christian right stays home.

Yep Rove’s influence has done great harm to the GOP but done well financially for him!


35 posted on 10/19/2014 3:04:22 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN

” Yep Rove’s influence has done great harm to the GOP but done well financially for him!”

BUMP

Rove is an enemy of conservatism.


36 posted on 10/20/2014 11:51:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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