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1 posted on 10/18/2014 4:45:34 AM PDT by chrisnj
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The line between the lesser of two evils is getting very thin.


294 posted on 10/18/2014 7:55:43 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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I have noticed a trend lately that the GOPe cheerleaders are falling back in retreat. They avoid posting in threads that talk about the GOP promise of immigration reform, but are present in mass numbers in threads such as these.

* Threads that assume if you don’t vote for the RINO, then you stay home and ignore every other race.
* Threads that assume if you don’t vote for the RINO, then you are some unresonable purist that demands 100%.
* Threads that assert your decision is emotional based, but refuse to argue the points. They just keep chanting their talking points like a liberal protest.

The truth is that of all the recent elections, and elections to come... this is by far the best choice to take RINOs to the woodshed.

First lets talk about what will NOT happen. The GOPe cheerleaders love to tell conservatives that they are dreaming...

* It is a dream to think any conservative legislation will pass with Obama in office.
* It is a dream to think that Obama’s can be more of a Pariah. His numbers are down to just support from his base.
* It is a dream to think that RINOs will stop appointments. Especially ones that matter.

The best arguments for voting for a RINO still don’t carry the day. They are
1. We need to be in a good position for a tough senate race in 2016. Yes, but... having RINOs in our rank is not control. They switch parties, form gangs to hijack control, criticize their own party in public ways. 51 Senators with too many RINOs is not a win.
2. Some states will not elect a conservative! Maybe, but there are plenty of RINOs in red states that can. If the GOPe plays dirty in the primaries, then this election is a good time for payback in the general.
3. But SENATOR LEADER HARRY REID, is a name. He hasn’t got much done in the past two years other than changing the filibuster rules to force through all appointments. At this point, the appointment game is pretty much over. Harry went nuclear and the RINOs went running away in fear. They should have responded, but didn’t have the spine to do so.

Having looked at all of the hollow reasons to vote for a RINO, lets look at the reasons not too.

1. Every RINO in the senate is a vote against conservative leadership. I challenge the GOPe cheerleaders to tell me that Texans should have voted for Straus for Texas senate. Here is the background reading: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3131372/posts

2. We should vote FOR someone, not against. Voting against someone does not build a lasting coalition, as soon as the new person is unpopular... they are gone too. Americans want a real choice, and by running as democrat lite... we give strength to the argument that both parties are the same and that the whole system is broken. If the GOP wants conservative votes, then stop with the lecturing threads like this... and start telling us what you will do with the power we give you.

3. RINOs pass bad laws. The GOP has already promised immigration reform if they take the senate. In the recent past there are bailouts, a sequester that cuts more from the military than other areas and a colossal cave on controlling spending.

4. It is easier to get rid of a red state RINO than a democrat. Consider Texas, hardly a liberal stronghold as long as you stay out of Austin and the gerrymandered boundaries of large cities. Yet we have Senator Cornball. He ran a good campaign in the primary, his commercials sounded soooo good. But he is a politician more than a conservative and went the wrong way many times on key votes. Sad thing is... he’s going to win.

5. The 2016 race is more important. If the GOP takes the senate then the spineless leadership will be the poster child for what the GOP stands for. It will be a disaster, it will hurt us in 2016. We need to take the presidency.

6. Yes, there are bad apples. I am not asking for 100% purity, but “destroy the tea party” McConnell is not what we need as a speaker. In many ways that is worse than Harry Reid because the public thinks conservatives have control. The dirty tricks in Mississippi will either be rejected by the conservatives or they will be used in other places in the future.

In short, the GOP is not making the sale to conservatives. The GOPe cheerleaders can take their paper tiger arguments, emotions, and childish chants... and get lost. They aren’t making the sale either.


303 posted on 10/18/2014 8:02:51 AM PDT by csivils
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Simple—I don’t vote for people who slander me.


325 posted on 10/18/2014 8:12:38 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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Many conservative voters are disillusioned at the Republicans for not standing up for their principles,

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The GOPe doesn’t have any principles. Money, power, and screwing anyone not in the ruling class are not principles.


338 posted on 10/18/2014 8:17:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: chrisnj; Jim Robinson

If FR starts working for Hillary like they did for 0bama, I’m outta here. That means support whoever the nominee is in the general.


393 posted on 10/18/2014 8:45:33 AM PDT by citizen (There3 is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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I want Republicans to take the Senate, I want harry reid to lose control of the Senate. I will NOT VOTE FOR THAD COCHRAN, I won’t vote for the democrat tarvis childers either, I’m writing in Chris McDaniel and I know it will not be counted. A line was crossed in Mississippi and the offenders have made NO EFFORT to reconcile, even if they did they wouldn’t get my vote this election. With the GOP leadership we have I don’t believe control of the House and Senate will do much to help us if we don’t elect REAL Conservative legislators, thad cochran or roger wicker, haley barbour two locked in paid for Senate votes certainly won’t help.


414 posted on 10/18/2014 9:09:03 AM PDT by duffee (Dump the Chairman of the Mississippi Republican Party, joe nosef.)
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I think we all can agree that we're so farking off course in this country that the ballot box is only delaying the inevitable correction that only the cartridge box can remedy.

It's not like there's been a pendulum swinging left to right in this country for quite some time now——Only LEFT, since Wilson took office.

The Republicans now, look no different than the dems did thirty years ago. The Demoncrats are outright communists, socialists, anti-American thugs, liars and thieves.

I am a purist but I'm also a realist.....I have always voted against the COMMUNIST!! I would rather see some sanity while I'm still alive than the sh!t we have currently in the White Hut, Senate--Harry Reid, etc.

Yes I know, I'm kicking the can down the road.

475 posted on 10/18/2014 10:20:22 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (STERILIZE OBOLA VOTERS)
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While the Dem voters are behind their Dems 100% [...]

Name ONE thing, desired by the left, that has not been steadily advanced over the last two decades. Democrats SERVE their base.

This is not excuses for the Republicans' non-performance.

That is precisely what it is. Excuses.

What low-voltage back-east Republicans will never understand is that they will not win without the Conservatives. And Conservatives are in three factions. Each of those factions REQUIRE their primary principles to be upheld. Without ALL THREE factions, Republicans cannot win, or at least, cannot win decisively...

SO WHY it is so important to uphold the principles of Conservatism, is because without doing so, you will not win, because you will not get enough people to go to the polls, unless ALL the principles of Conservatism are being served. All else results in voter apathy or split votes as the various factions break apart to support various candidates

The 1%ers (me included) are right. Even if you don't believe in Conservatism, or lack faith in one or more of it's factions and their principles, Compromise is never going to lead to success. When ALL Conservative principles are being served, THEN, and ONLY THEN, will rise the Conservative juggernaut.

That, in a nutshell, is Reagan Conservatism. You should try it sometime.

476 posted on 10/18/2014 10:22:02 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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This is kind of off topic, but I can find no other place to ask this question. How are we going to survive as a country the remaining 2 years of Obama’s term? I seriously fear for our future. Thanks and sorry for hijacking the thread.


486 posted on 10/18/2014 10:32:21 AM PDT by Remember Ruby Ridge
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"...and then pressuring them into serving the people the way they should."

Yep, because it's worked so well for us before.../s

511 posted on 10/18/2014 11:16:17 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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604 posted on 10/18/2014 1:15:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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bfl


626 posted on 10/18/2014 2:01:36 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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Lamar! is up this year. He is the 4th-most left-wing “Republican” Senator hailing from one of the most Conservative states. I’m not voting for him... again.

Thanks for playing.


695 posted on 10/18/2014 5:23:25 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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Thought you might like this thread.


745 posted on 10/19/2014 11:23:03 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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How cute. You actually think that a Mitch McConnell-led Senate would accomplish something.


755 posted on 10/19/2014 2:05:16 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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