Posted on 10/18/2014 4:45:34 AM PDT by chrisnj
Many conservative voters are disillusioned at the Republicans for not standing up for their principles, for compromising with the Democrats, for having no spines etc. etc. They vow not to vote for the Republicans, or outright vote for the Democrats, to send them a message, to teach them a lesson. I think this kind of message/lesson serves no purpose but to cut off your own supply of oxygen.
Almost all the Republicans rejected obumbocrap (obamacare) but Harry Reid and his crooked Dems jammed it through deviously. The House Republicans have passed many legislations to repeal obumbocrap but Reid et al killed them all. The House Republicans have passed many good legislations but Reid and his crooks buried them all. The media blasted the Republicans on all their good constitutional/conservative acts, but remained silent on the Democrats' constant acts to destroy the constitution. This is a known fact and all of us always complain about it. Yet we are not showing any understanding of the difficult situations facing the House Republicans. While the Dem voters are behind their Dems 100%, we are demanding perfection while offering no help. We blame the Republicans for this and that but we are not working hard to create an opportunity or situation where they can stand on their principles and serve us faithfully. Why don't we vote them into majority in both House and Senate, so they have more control and feel less pressured to compromise, but more encouraged to listen to us to enact constitutional legislations for the good of the country. This is not excuses for the Republicans' non-performance. It is simply a fact that a good person can only do so much under difficult situations! We should understand that it is human nature to be rather weak, especially when under pressure. But given the favorable situations we are more likely to stand up taller for our principles. Remember when the Republicans were the majority in both Houses - even with a Democrat president Clinton, Congress was able to serve the people well! So if we are able to vote the Republicans into the majority, we just might be able to influence them into reversing the course to get our country back on the right track. Considering that many people have awaken and patriots are much more enthusiatically engaged in shaping government policies, we can realistically hope to get better leaders who will listen to the people again. All we need to do is unite and vote the crooks out but vote the acceptable albeit imperfect Republican candidates in, then work hard to influence them...
Certainly, with rampant voter fraud, ignorant and low-information voters, AND, the conservatives who vow to stay home or vote for the Dems, there is no hope that the Republicans will be in control of both Houses. It was said that those conservatives who wouldn't vote for the Republicans are part of the reasons why the Dems won the elections. So these conservatives are in effect cutting off the supply of oxygen to their own hopes (and our hopes)!
History suggests that the Republicans are more constitution-abiding leaders. We need to create the opportunities for them to abide to the constituion - by voting them into majority and then pressuring them into serving the people the way they should.
The customer is always right.
If your product doesn't sell, change your product.
RE: Romney...
Thats just like, your opinion man! Because it isn’t based on anything but fond wishes. It’s speculation.
Vote for true conservatives along and down the ticket and leave the Rinos to fend for themselves
And replace them with what? Their Republican twins? Because thats what you have been doing for 30 years. And for many I did the same. And I am ashamed of doing it. But I cant change it I can only never repeat the mistake. Passion is meaningless. It’s emotion and that is never good for political decisions.
Don’t ‘feel’ anything. Look at a situation for what it is not what you dream it could be. Elect a liberal RINO and the party gets more liberal. Simple math.
No, clearly is a lib and his actions pushing Abortion and homo crap makes him a POS. It’s pretty factual.
This is kind of off topic, but I can find no other place to ask this question. How are we going to survive as a country the remaining 2 years of Obama’s term? I seriously fear for our future. Thanks and sorry for hijacking the thread.
I agree. But if we did that much, the rest falls into place as it was designed to.
Romney isn’t on the ticket. Romney isn’t running this time. Romney didn’t ask democrats to vote for him in the primary. Romney didn’t brag about how he was going to crush the tea party.
The issue isn’t 100% purity, nor is it sitting at home and doing nothing. The issue is that there are a few RINOs who crossed the line, and the GOP failed to make a case that they can accomplish anything with a senate victory this election.
Next presidential election, If Cruz doesn’t get the nomination, then I may find myself on your side of the 2016 debate claiming that we cannot afford another round of communist supreme court justices.
This election however, the GOP forgot to run ON something.
“Right, because those of us who want to crush the Democrats by any means necessary are just a bunch of RINOs.
I don’t think you guys understand the passion that our side feels.”
That is because we are focused on crushing liberalism and have found that blindly voting R is not a working strategy to defeat liberalism.
“The issue isn’t 100% purity, nor is it sitting at home and doing nothing. The issue is that there are a few RINOs who crossed the line, and the GOP failed to make a case that they can accomplish anything with a senate victory this election.”
they don’t want to address any of that. They just demand you shut up and vote for our problem anyway.
“Elect a liberal RINO and the party gets more liberal. Simple math.”
The argument to the contrary seems like a common core math lesson.
I don’t agree with your positions... however, the fact you have made them is a respectful manner deserves acknowledgement.
Well done.
Ongoing note to self:
Nearing 500 posts and not a single GOP fan will address the issue of the GOP announcing that a win for them gets Amnesty in America.
They avoided the issue for 500 posts on this thread alone while demanding we elect RINOs.
Folks, these people are frauds.
Only a liberal would argue contrary to anything that obvious. Only a liberal with degrade themselves to that degree to try and win a point. so common core seems their speed.
Hegelianism laid the predicate for the works of Marx and Engels. Even Marx and Engels said so. They simply stripped God out, and used Hegel’s method of finding the ‘thesis,’ the ‘antithesis,’ and the ‘synthesis.’
Here’s the fundamental problem: Stripped of God, this is a process bound only towards hell. Because, there can be no synthesis between good and evil. Good corrupted by evil is evil, as a bottle of fine wine poisoned by one drop of cyanide becomes a bottle of poison. Or, to use the biblical analogy: ‘A little leaven leavens the whole lump.’
This same mindset has infected the American heart and mind, even in Christian circles. We see it expressed every day now in the political process. They call it ‘choosing the lesser of two evils.’
If folks are tired of seeing their country going to hell in a handbasket they need to wake up to the fact that there is only one possible way to stop it: Quit compromising with evil.
“Quit compromising with evil.”
But they WANT evil. If they didn’t then why at a midterm are they demanding we elect more of it? It’s not that they don’t know the issue. They cannot be on FR and not know the issue. So if they know and they demand we elect evil, then they WANT evil.
Trust God and humbly do right.
Only then can we expect Him to once again come to our aid.
Mine, and those us evil purists share, are. --
I'm not sure either side is "winning," at least not in a short or medium term. The party faithful are trotting out the old "voter's fault" justification for losing the popularity contest (invoked prosectively as "vote for us, we're not overtly socialist like the other guy"), and predictably, people who yearn for elected representatives that will try to roll back the government, aren't buying in.
That's a broad brush, and of course there are exceptions (Cruz, Sessions, LePage). It's up to each candidate, and to some extent, the party itself, to come up with a message that gets it into power.
I wonder about the political debates in countries like Venezuela, Russia, Iraq, etc. that had free and open elections. I bet the same sort of empassioned arguments occurred there, too. Fat lot of difference it made.
Well, Today, more people than ever are publicly saying ‘Never again’ will they go the lesser evil/no matter what route. It’s a start.
And some of those people fought tooth and nail with us last election. They admit it was a mistake to help further the GOP liberalism. So it might not be any rousing victory yet I freely admit. But it’s moving our way.
Ergo, we are gaining, not ceding ground in this insanity. this crap never should have happened. Conservative values are not a ‘living document’.
The passion you feel is pure emotion that is being exploited by those who are simply using you. “Something must be done” has been the battle cry of despots since the beginning of time. Doing “something” has resulted in the continued march to destruction.
When you are on the wrong path, continuing is the worst action. Passion cries for you to continue, but principle compels you to do what’s right. Liberalism is driven by passion, AKA good intention, but conservatism is driven by principle and the need to make the hard decisions when it needs to be done.
Aligning yourself with corrupt party politics may give you a temporary emotional boost when “your guys” win, but it ensures that those whom you profess to oppose maintain their control. Putting party above principle can only have one outcome: a party without principle.
Those of us on the other side have just as much passion as you, but it is tempered by reason and a belief in values that transcend the fear of the moment.
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