Posted on 10/18/2014 4:45:34 AM PDT by chrisnj
Many conservative voters are disillusioned at the Republicans for not standing up for their principles, for compromising with the Democrats, for having no spines etc. etc. They vow not to vote for the Republicans, or outright vote for the Democrats, to send them a message, to teach them a lesson. I think this kind of message/lesson serves no purpose but to cut off your own supply of oxygen.
Almost all the Republicans rejected obumbocrap (obamacare) but Harry Reid and his crooked Dems jammed it through deviously. The House Republicans have passed many legislations to repeal obumbocrap but Reid et al killed them all. The House Republicans have passed many good legislations but Reid and his crooks buried them all. The media blasted the Republicans on all their good constitutional/conservative acts, but remained silent on the Democrats' constant acts to destroy the constitution. This is a known fact and all of us always complain about it. Yet we are not showing any understanding of the difficult situations facing the House Republicans. While the Dem voters are behind their Dems 100%, we are demanding perfection while offering no help. We blame the Republicans for this and that but we are not working hard to create an opportunity or situation where they can stand on their principles and serve us faithfully. Why don't we vote them into majority in both House and Senate, so they have more control and feel less pressured to compromise, but more encouraged to listen to us to enact constitutional legislations for the good of the country. This is not excuses for the Republicans' non-performance. It is simply a fact that a good person can only do so much under difficult situations! We should understand that it is human nature to be rather weak, especially when under pressure. But given the favorable situations we are more likely to stand up taller for our principles. Remember when the Republicans were the majority in both Houses - even with a Democrat president Clinton, Congress was able to serve the people well! So if we are able to vote the Republicans into the majority, we just might be able to influence them into reversing the course to get our country back on the right track. Considering that many people have awaken and patriots are much more enthusiatically engaged in shaping government policies, we can realistically hope to get better leaders who will listen to the people again. All we need to do is unite and vote the crooks out but vote the acceptable albeit imperfect Republican candidates in, then work hard to influence them...
Certainly, with rampant voter fraud, ignorant and low-information voters, AND, the conservatives who vow to stay home or vote for the Dems, there is no hope that the Republicans will be in control of both Houses. It was said that those conservatives who wouldn't vote for the Republicans are part of the reasons why the Dems won the elections. So these conservatives are in effect cutting off the supply of oxygen to their own hopes (and our hopes)!
History suggests that the Republicans are more constitution-abiding leaders. We need to create the opportunities for them to abide to the constituion - by voting them into majority and then pressuring them into serving the people the way they should.
That’s a stupid hypothetical question, and you can’t even answer the other side of it, so it’s absurdly infantile for you to pose it.
I asked you a simple question, and you avoided it like the plague.
Telling.
I have noticed a trend lately that the GOPe cheerleaders are falling back in retreat. They avoid posting in threads that talk about the GOP promise of immigration reform, but are present in mass numbers in threads such as these.
* Threads that assume if you don’t vote for the RINO, then you stay home and ignore every other race.
* Threads that assume if you don’t vote for the RINO, then you are some unresonable purist that demands 100%.
* Threads that assert your decision is emotional based, but refuse to argue the points. They just keep chanting their talking points like a liberal protest.
The truth is that of all the recent elections, and elections to come... this is by far the best choice to take RINOs to the woodshed.
First lets talk about what will NOT happen. The GOPe cheerleaders love to tell conservatives that they are dreaming...
* It is a dream to think any conservative legislation will pass with Obama in office.
* It is a dream to think that Obama’s can be more of a Pariah. His numbers are down to just support from his base.
* It is a dream to think that RINOs will stop appointments. Especially ones that matter.
The best arguments for voting for a RINO still don’t carry the day. They are
1. We need to be in a good position for a tough senate race in 2016. Yes, but... having RINOs in our rank is not control. They switch parties, form gangs to hijack control, criticize their own party in public ways. 51 Senators with too many RINOs is not a win.
2. Some states will not elect a conservative! Maybe, but there are plenty of RINOs in red states that can. If the GOPe plays dirty in the primaries, then this election is a good time for payback in the general.
3. But SENATOR LEADER HARRY REID, is a name. He hasn’t got much done in the past two years other than changing the filibuster rules to force through all appointments. At this point, the appointment game is pretty much over. Harry went nuclear and the RINOs went running away in fear. They should have responded, but didn’t have the spine to do so.
Having looked at all of the hollow reasons to vote for a RINO, lets look at the reasons not too.
1. Every RINO in the senate is a vote against conservative leadership. I challenge the GOPe cheerleaders to tell me that Texans should have voted for Straus for Texas senate. Here is the background reading: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3131372/posts
2. We should vote FOR someone, not against. Voting against someone does not build a lasting coalition, as soon as the new person is unpopular... they are gone too. Americans want a real choice, and by running as democrat lite... we give strength to the argument that both parties are the same and that the whole system is broken. If the GOP wants conservative votes, then stop with the lecturing threads like this... and start telling us what you will do with the power we give you.
3. RINOs pass bad laws. The GOP has already promised immigration reform if they take the senate. In the recent past there are bailouts, a sequester that cuts more from the military than other areas and a colossal cave on controlling spending.
4. It is easier to get rid of a red state RINO than a democrat. Consider Texas, hardly a liberal stronghold as long as you stay out of Austin and the gerrymandered boundaries of large cities. Yet we have Senator Cornball. He ran a good campaign in the primary, his commercials sounded soooo good. But he is a politician more than a conservative and went the wrong way many times on key votes. Sad thing is... he’s going to win.
5. The 2016 race is more important. If the GOP takes the senate then the spineless leadership will be the poster child for what the GOP stands for. It will be a disaster, it will hurt us in 2016. We need to take the presidency.
6. Yes, there are bad apples. I am not asking for 100% purity, but “destroy the tea party” McConnell is not what we need as a speaker. In many ways that is worse than Harry Reid because the public thinks conservatives have control. The dirty tricks in Mississippi will either be rejected by the conservatives or they will be used in other places in the future.
In short, the GOP is not making the sale to conservatives. The GOPe cheerleaders can take their paper tiger arguments, emotions, and childish chants... and get lost. They aren’t making the sale either.
Except they didn’t and Mitt got more votes than McCain/Palin.
you were saying?
your post 300 proves your stupidity.
Not that it was ever in doubt.
Mittens lost because he sucked. Sorry to burst your GOPe bubble.
Thurston does that often.
So, let me ask again:
Do you have any principle that is non-negotiable?
This is not a question of "situational ethics" ... and you know that. It's a question of now that we conservatives have lost some of the primaries, what do we do today to not help elect Democrat-Socialists.
No need for anger ... we just disagree on what is the better way to proceed at this point ... in the 1-game playoff so to speak ... that's all.
You think that it's better for America and for conservatives by voting for a candidate who cannot possibly win or by not voting at all (a strategy used by libertarians for decades and you know how little they've achieved by employing it) which does nothing more than help elect Democrat-Socialists (the only reallistic alternative). Whereas I think it's better for America if we elect a viable non-Socialist-Democrat, even if that means electing a RINO/GOPE and even if that means not advancing conservative principles in this general election round.
Thurston, I am still waiting for you to schedule that debate. When is good for you?
Puzzle me this...
1) You vote for the most conservative candidate running in every primary, and general election. You encourage your friends and neighbors to do the same. You work to get them nominated and elected.
2) Or your candidate doesn’t win the primary, so you set home on election day, or protest vote for some Libtardian with zero chance of winning, thus allowing a far left moonbat to get elected.
Which method has a better chance of moving the country to the Right?
Doesn’t logic tell you that getting everyone to vote for the most conservative candidate every primary, and every general election will lead to more conservative governance?
It defies logic to think that doing nothing and allowing liberal moonbats take control will make things more conservative. Can you explain how method #2 makes sense to you?
In my opinion it like really wanting a steak, but when you get to the only place available to eat steak isn’t on the menu. ( steak lost the primary )
The only two options on the menu are hamburger, or $hit.
How does protesting hamburger by ordering $hit get you closer to steak? There isn’t another restaurant down the road, and both you and your neighbors are going to have to eat your choice for the next 2-4 years.
I’ll have the hamburger at that point, and I’ll stand in line in the rain to get it!
Typical.
Has he also called you childish, bragged about his book or asked if you know “who he is”?
But they are losing the argument. The GOPe cheerleaders are falling back to threads that open with support for their position. They have abandoned posting in threads that talk about topics such as the GOP promise of immigration reform if they take the senate.
You said it yourself. You will compromise your principles. Thats situational ethics. It’s the proper term to use.
I’m not going to ‘not’ use the proper term because someone thinks its trendy. The solution is simple. Stand up and support what you SAY you believe in and it won’t be a problem at all.
“Warning: you don’t want to go there on anti Estab cred. You will lose.”
Maybe in a distant past. Your actions lately seem like you were appointed head GOPe cheerleader. It seems like more and more people care calling you out on it.
If Ann Coulter can lose favor, do you think you are immune for being called out over RINO love?
No, he lost because Republicans didn’t show up on Election Day.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
I think I would have at least a shred of opitimism if I saw that we had an “opposition party” that genuinely stood up for the things it used to loudly proclaim... like fighting judicial activism, standing for family values, supporting states rights. But this very week, with a scenario in which all three issues intersected in one of the most egregious examples of my lifetime, with the Courts tyrannically running roughshod on the states... where the HELL were the Republicans? Other than a scant few, they were silent and running like cowards.
Lesson? I cannot count on the GOP for anything. All those speeches and platforms and stances are proven meaningless. As a Party, they obviously don’t share my values nor my ideology. Liars and cowards, the vast majority of them.
Have any of your candidates won?
Puzzle me this. You claim conservatism then a conservative runs. You then run to the RINO because they can ‘win’. then you wonder why conservatives don’t get elected in the primary to go to the general.
Do you not see an issue there?
Yeah, me too.
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