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To: ConservingFreedom
You wrote of Madison: "He didn't go on to say that all non-angelic behavior should be punished by government - and he certainly gave no such sweeping authority to the federal government, nor even the authority to regulate intrastate growing, distributing, selling, buying, or using of any drug."

The point about Madison is that he believed we needed government because men are not angels. You may not realize it but the drugs you are keen for were not available when Madison was writing. You probably don't realize it but most Americans would never believe that the Founding Fathers would have been keen for legalizing pot or the other drugs.

I agree that more Americans are shifting to pro-pot laws. Yet only two states are in the pot bag so far. So the truth is that historically and presently most Americans do not share your pro-pot views.

I know you say you're personally opposed to pot but in favor of everyone using it if they want, but that's just more sophistry, like the Democrat claptrap on abortion.

How do you believe that our society copes well with alcohol yet you've lost a family member to it? No cognitive dissonance with your pro-drug stand and the personal consequences in your family? And with both pot and alcohol legal are you unaware of what that will mean to people who use both drugs? http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happens-when-stoned-and-drunk-2014-3

If you were king, you'd not want a besotted, doped up, stoned nation of dolts. But I could be wrong.

184 posted on 10/22/2014 10:26:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
You wrote of Madison: "He didn't go on to say that all non-angelic behavior should be punished by government - and he certainly gave no such sweeping authority to the federal government, nor even the authority to regulate intrastate growing, distributing, selling, buying, or using of any drug."

The point about Madison is that he believed we needed government because men are not angels. You may not realize it but the drugs you are keen for were not available when Madison was writing.

Marijuana and opiates have been known for millennia - in fact, Ben Franklin was one of many who used a tincture of opium in alcohol (laudanum).

You probably don't realize it but most Americans would never believe that the Founding Fathers would have been keen for legalizing pot or the other drugs.

What I realize is that the Founding Fathers put no federal authority in the Constitution to regulate the intrastate growing, distributing, selling, buying, or using of any drug - which makes moot whatever "most Americans would never believe" about it.

historically and presently most Americans do not share your pro-pot views.

Nationwide "54% favor marijuana legalization": http://www.people-press.org/2014/04/02/americas-new-drug-policy-landscape/

I know you say you're personally opposed to pot but in favor of everyone using it if they want, but that's just more sophistry, like the Democrat claptrap on abortion.

Abortion violates a nonconsenting person's right to life - drug use violates nobody's rights.

How do you believe that our society copes well with alcohol yet you've lost a family member to it?

Society goes on without him; if we ban everything with which people might choose to harm themselves, what will be left?

188 posted on 10/22/2014 10:46:43 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: elhombrelibre
The point about Madison is that he believed we needed government

So do I - to combat violations of individual rights ... which drug sale and use are not.

204 posted on 10/22/2014 11:46:41 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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