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To: ConservingFreedom
As Madison said, "If men were angels, we wouldn't need government." Our government's anti-drug laws have reflected the values most Americans hold to. You want those values to change. That's why you continue your sophistries.

You don't get how destructive drugs are. You think anti-drug laws are no different than mandating no mustard on hot dogs. It's futile to try to change your mind because you see dope as a fine recreational activity for responsible adults. The reality is it's a plague on our society regardless of whether it is worse than alcohol or not. It's a plague not just because a lot of nice people end up in jail. It destroys minds, bodies, families, and communities. It's not in the interest of people who love freedom to decriminalize products that exist only for the purpose of getting stoned. And in your case now, it's impossible to go back and say you're only talking about pot. Because you've made it clear that you'd be okay with legalizing all drugs.

171 posted on 10/22/2014 7:52:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
As Madison said, "If men were angels, we wouldn't need government." Our government's anti-drug laws have reflected the values most Americans hold to.

Kind of ironic that you quote Madison, then present what you perceive as popular opinion as if it were an enumeration of power.

172 posted on 10/22/2014 7:56:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: elhombrelibre
As Madison said, "If men were angels, we wouldn't need government."

He didn't go on to say that all non-angelic behavior should be punished by government - and he certainly gave no such sweeping authority to the federal government, nor even the authority to regulate intrastate growing, distributing, selling, buying, or using of any drug.

Our government's anti-drug laws have reflected the values most Americans hold to.

Nonsense - polls show more Americans favor than oppose legalizing pot.

You don't get how destructive drugs are.

I'm well aware of how destructive drugs can be to irresponsible users - a family member has been laid waste by use of the drug alcohol.

you see dope as a fine recreational activity for responsible adults.

I've nver said it's "fine" - it is one they must as free-willed individuals be at liberty to do.

The reality is it's a plague on our society regardless of whether it is worse than alcohol or not.

If, like pot, they're not worse than alcohol, with which our society is coping quite well, then they're not a plague on our society.

it's impossible to go back and say you're only talking about pot. Because you've made it clear that you'd be okay with legalizing all drugs.

If I were king, I would not legalize any other drug until after having legalized pot and taken a good few years to assess the impact - at which point I predict that the weight of the evidence will support answering 'should we legalize other drugs?' with a 'yes.'

182 posted on 10/22/2014 10:10:46 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: elhombrelibre
BTW, I see you're sticking to the issues today. Good choice.
208 posted on 10/22/2014 11:53:38 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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