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Colorado marijuana revenues hit a new high
Washington Post ^ | Oct. 14, 2014

Posted on 10/15/2014 10:34:50 AM PDT by Wolfie

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To: ConservingFreedom

So you personally are pro-dope for all dope, right?


161 posted on 10/21/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Wrong as usual - I am anti-dope and pro-adult-freedom for all dope including alcohol and tobacco.
162 posted on 10/21/2014 8:18:09 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

So what you wrote in post 159 is not what you’d support. You’re against legalized drugs. You’re just saying that others will force it on America. I get it. You yourself are not in favor of legal use of drugs.


163 posted on 10/21/2014 10:27:24 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
So what you wrote in post 159

YOU wrote post 159.

164 posted on 10/21/2014 10:31:59 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
160 then.

"and only after, having legalized pot and taken a good few years to assess the impact, I predict that the weight of the evidence will support answering 'should we legalize other drugs?' with a 'yes.'"

Of course, your prediction has nothing to do with your preference.

165 posted on 10/21/2014 11:43:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
My prediction is the basis for my preference. Were you ever planning to make any sort of point?
166 posted on 10/21/2014 11:55:13 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

You say “I am anti-dope” yet you want it legal. So you’re not really anti-dope. You’re anti-anti-dope. You’re not willing to will the means to stop enforce the law and you’re in favor of it being legal, which we’ve both known all along. All your sophistries merely exist to help make all dope legal.


167 posted on 10/21/2014 12:11:32 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
you want it legal. So you’re not really anti-dope.

Wrong - I'm anti- many things I don't want criminalized: alcohol, tobacco, rap, reality TV, short hair for women, ...

168 posted on 10/21/2014 12:15:43 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

You want a lawless society where people can get on dope and be a burden on the rest of society, then. That’s why I call what you want utopian libertarianism.


169 posted on 10/21/2014 12:26:14 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
You want a lawless society

Wrong as usual - I fully support all laws against violations of individual rights ... but current drug laws don't qualify.

where people can get on dope and be a burden on the rest of society,

Some, but far from all, users of alcohol and other drugs become burdens on society - and even they are burdens only because society has through its elected representatives chosen to create programs through which this burdening takes place. The conservative position is to end such rights-violating welfare/redistributive programs, not to use them as an excuse for still more rights-violating policies like drug criminalization.

170 posted on 10/22/2014 7:26:37 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
As Madison said, "If men were angels, we wouldn't need government." Our government's anti-drug laws have reflected the values most Americans hold to. You want those values to change. That's why you continue your sophistries.

You don't get how destructive drugs are. You think anti-drug laws are no different than mandating no mustard on hot dogs. It's futile to try to change your mind because you see dope as a fine recreational activity for responsible adults. The reality is it's a plague on our society regardless of whether it is worse than alcohol or not. It's a plague not just because a lot of nice people end up in jail. It destroys minds, bodies, families, and communities. It's not in the interest of people who love freedom to decriminalize products that exist only for the purpose of getting stoned. And in your case now, it's impossible to go back and say you're only talking about pot. Because you've made it clear that you'd be okay with legalizing all drugs.

171 posted on 10/22/2014 7:52:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
As Madison said, "If men were angels, we wouldn't need government." Our government's anti-drug laws have reflected the values most Americans hold to.

Kind of ironic that you quote Madison, then present what you perceive as popular opinion as if it were an enumeration of power.

172 posted on 10/22/2014 7:56:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

You think Madison opposed popular opinion or ... what’re you trying to say?


173 posted on 10/22/2014 8:33:19 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
You think Madison opposed popular opinion or ... what’re you trying to say?

Madison opposed "popular opinion" as a claim of authority for any federal power not explicitly granted by the States and enumerated in the Constitution.

174 posted on 10/22/2014 8:47:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

And, then, are you saying that my stating that the laws we’ve had on illegal drugs have reflected the popular opinion of the majority is contrary to what Madison wanted? I don’t think you mean to say Madison favored illegal drugs (though I know there are people on FReeRepublic who might say that), but are you saying he didn’t favor laws reflecting the values of the public in a self-governing nation?


175 posted on 10/22/2014 8:53:42 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’m say “elhombrelibre says it’s what everybody wants” doesn’t make it all good.


176 posted on 10/22/2014 8:59:06 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

So far, two states have voted for decriminalization. It’s not me just saying that. It’s a fact. Smoking dope has not historically been something Americans favored. Parents did not raise their kids to be pot heads until very recently. Am I mistaken? I’m guessing yours might have, but you probably noticed that not many other parents were in favor of their kids getting stoned.


177 posted on 10/22/2014 9:03:45 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
So far, two states have voted for decriminalization. It’s not me just saying that. It’s a fact. Smoking dope has not historically been something Americans favored. Parents did not raise their kids to be pot heads until very recently. Am I mistaken? I’m guessing yours might have, but you probably noticed that not many other parents were in favor of their kids getting stoned.

I don't agree with it, but I understand that our constitutional republic allows people in other states to pass laws I don't like. I think trying to abuse the enumerated powers of the federal government to stop them is a violation of the spirit and intent of that document and ultimately more destructive to the nation than whatever it is they're doing I don't agree with.

178 posted on 10/22/2014 9:10:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

So you think the enumerated powers explicitly allow for smoking pot, or you think they don’t allow states to make pot smoking illegal?


179 posted on 10/22/2014 9:38:07 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
So you think the enumerated powers explicitly allow for smoking pot, or you think they don’t allow states to make pot smoking illegal?

How long did it take you to load that question?

180 posted on 10/22/2014 9:59:08 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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