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Dr. Doug Butzier, a Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate from Iowa, died in a plane crash
TPNN News ^ | 14 Oct 2014 | TPNN Staff

Posted on 10/14/2014 5:05:07 PM PDT by WellyP

Dr. Doug Butzier, a Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate from Iowa, died in a plane crash Monday night, just 22 days from the midterm elections.

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1 posted on 10/14/2014 5:05:07 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: WellyP

I’m sorry for Dr. Butzier’s family.

When I hear stories like this I think back many years to when I was in pilot training. On one of my first flights Ken deWitt told me point blank, “There are old pilots and bold pilots but no old bold pilots”. Was this the case here?

He missed the first approach and came back for a second go at landing rather than diverting to another airport. FAA, “Dalsing said the plane missed its first approach to the runway and crashed while approaching for a second time. Around an inch and a half of rain fell in the Dubuque area throughout the day and into the night Monday, though Dalsing said it wasn’t clear if weather played a role in the crash.

FAA and NTSB investigators are on their way to investigate the crash.”


2 posted on 10/14/2014 5:06:06 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: WellyP

I hate to admit my first thought, but it had to do with wishing it had been a democrat of strong importance that had gone down. All right, there I admit my impure thoughts!


3 posted on 10/14/2014 5:07:13 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: WellyP

““There are old pilots and bold pilots but no old bold pilots”. Was this the case here?”

“GetThere-itis” has killed an awful lot of pilots over the years.


4 posted on 10/14/2014 5:10:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: WellyP

Sounds a little suspicious.


5 posted on 10/14/2014 5:22:15 PM PDT by BlackAdderess
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To: BlackAdderess

It usually ends up being the people inconvenient for Democrats that end up in these last minute crashes.


6 posted on 10/14/2014 5:24:51 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

Especially if there is Kennedy in the name


7 posted on 10/14/2014 5:28:36 PM PDT by BlackAdderess
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To: tcrlaf

““GetThere-itis” has killed an awful lot of pilots over the years.”

A lot of them fly into “cumulus granitus.” Favorite final resting place for flying doctors.


8 posted on 10/14/2014 5:34:13 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: WellyP

Makes the math a bit harder for the Dem.


9 posted on 10/14/2014 5:36:05 PM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: BobL

25,000 votes out of over 1,000,000 cast.

That’s what the Libertarian got last time.


10 posted on 10/14/2014 5:40:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: WellyP

Knew a doctor who flew his family down to FL panhandle to their place there. It rained, tropical with 2-3 inches of standing water on a grass turf runway. Think is was a Cessna single engine. He apparently insisted on taking off with whole family. His wife and one of the two little children survived, barely, she had to have her face reconstructed.

The plane went along, barely lifted, bounced, then went nose down into the turf at the end of the runway, throwing all passengers into windshield/firewall. One child was not strapped in- and flew from back to front and then into instrument panel.
Not get-there-itis, but must-leave-no mattertheconditionitis, brought on by get-there-itis. A real tragedy.


11 posted on 10/14/2014 5:44:05 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: WellyP

I was going to vote for him. :(


12 posted on 10/14/2014 5:44:22 PM PDT by nonliberal (Sent from a payphone in a whorehouse in Mexico.)
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To: WellyP

An old saying to keep in mind... There, but for the grace of God, go I

It is not at all unusual to make a second approach after a miss...

File this under sh1t happens


13 posted on 10/14/2014 6:00:51 PM PDT by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures)
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To: jjotto

25,000 votes might be enough to decide that election.

I always look at those as lost R votes.

Same reason I celebrate when Green party and other leftists run to split their vote.


14 posted on 10/14/2014 6:12:03 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: WellyP

It does not matter how many approaches he made; 2, 3, 4.

If you don’t hit the ground or some obstacle, you do not crash.

And you do neither unless you bust minimums.

What probably happened is that he saw the lights on the first approach but not well enough to land out of it, or maybe he as just a little off the centerline.

So he thinks that he will shoot it again and this time duck just a bit under the minimum. A no no.

This was the weather at the normal reporting time:

METAR KDBQ 140353Z AUTO 36012KT 5SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2946 RMK AO2 RAE18B42 SLP977 P0010 T01280128 $

Certainly there was a special read to him as he started the approach and we will not find out what that was until we see the NSTB report.

With the wind from the north, he could have been cleared for either runway 31 or 36.

I did not look up 31, but 36 has a min. of 200-1/2. I no longer have any approach plates and digging them out of the internet is a pain.

Unless the special was much worse, he should have been able to make it.

But all instrument pilots are not created equal.

Actually I knew quite a few pilots that could shoot a successful approach down to 100 -1/2 and put it on the centerline.


15 posted on 10/14/2014 6:13:31 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: nonliberal

I was going to vote for him. :(

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So, who will get your vote now?


16 posted on 10/14/2014 6:16:07 PM PDT by Din Maker (I've always been crazy, but, that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: jjotto

Elections have been closer...much closer.

A lot less than 25,000 votes gave Al Franken Minnesota, and with him America got Obamacare.


17 posted on 10/14/2014 6:18:48 PM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: nonliberal

Iowa’s Libertarian candidate for governor, Lee Hieb, said her fellow doctor epitomized what Iowans are all about.

“He could get dressed up in a suit and talk in front of a big crowd but at the end of the day he was just a man of the people,” Hieb said. “Iowa and the cause of liberty are diminished by his passing.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/14/iowa-libertarian-senate-candidate-doug-butzier-dies-plane-crash/17256595/


18 posted on 10/14/2014 6:19:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If the courts make our laws, there's been a coup d'etat. Wake up, America.)
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To: WellyP

I neglected to mention that there are 5 airports in the area in addition to DBQ.

We don’t even know at which airport he was landing.

A non precision approach to a satellite airport is a different critter.


19 posted on 10/14/2014 6:25:22 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: BobL

The question is whether those votes are mere protest and would go to some other bit player. I think they would.

This is far enough out for him to be replaced on the ballot, maybe (one of the problems with ‘early voting’). If he remains on the ballot, he might draw more votes than if he were alive.


20 posted on 10/14/2014 6:30:20 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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