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Don't 'Vote for the Candidate'
Townhall.com ^ | 10-14-2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 10/14/2014 2:21:31 AM PDT by servo1969

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To: marron

Rand Paul is the new, younger, John McCain, media darling, who is willing to compromise anything for likability. He just wants to win.


81 posted on 10/18/2014 8:08:22 AM PDT by Eva
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To: betty boop; xzins; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; metmom; Elsie
This motif repeats throughout human history, usually at times of great cultural distress and dislocation

Elect a community agitator . . . get an agitated community. No surprise to our little group of FRiends. Figures.

Thanks for the BEEP!

82 posted on 10/19/2014 11:59:22 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Seems that most republicans are just democrats that want to be left alone..
They are no more for “a REPUBLIC” than any democrat..

Democrats being for “democracy”..


Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism.
The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx


83 posted on 10/19/2014 1:23:21 PM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: hosepipe

WHich asks a question... Who is confused.. democrats or republicans?..


84 posted on 10/19/2014 1:26:04 PM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: servo1969

But as the Democratic Party has become a doctrinaire left-wing party


As opposed to the GOPe which has also become a doctrinaire left wing party?

Your masters already said they intend to “destroy the TEA Party” and said conservatives are “racists.”

They are welcome to shrivel up and fade away like the whigs.

Screw them.


85 posted on 10/19/2014 1:30:57 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Redleg Duke

The problem here is that we have so many “Principled Conservative Purists” who will either sit on their hands on voting day “to send a message”, or vote for “their” candidate, who will either garner 1% of the vote or a sufficient amount to put the RAT over the top, “to send a message”.
I believe the term “Useful Idiots” is appropriate.


The problem here is that even when a conservative wins the primary, the GOPe does everything in their power to defeat them. When a conservative, such as Ted Cruz wins the office the GOPe goes lockstep against them to block every effort to do the will of the party base.

I believe the term “Treasonous, back stabbing, liberal-loving scum in desperate need of tar, feathers and rope” is appropriate.

I will enjoy watching the GOPe go the way of the whigs.


86 posted on 10/19/2014 1:41:55 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: bert; xzins
The reason given by Freepers is principle. That boils down to self esteem enhanced by what is in essence a vindictive act

Voting for a backstabbing GOPe candidate is like selecting a “nicer guy” to rape your daughter rather than letting her get raped by “the bad guy.”

I say throw them both in the chipper-shredder.

87 posted on 10/19/2014 2:27:46 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: hosepipe
Seems that most republicans are just democrats that want to be left alone..

Lavin calls them “Repubics.”

88 posted on 10/20/2014 9:08:01 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS; xzins; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; metmom; Elsie
Elect a community agitator . . . get an agitated community. No surprise to our little group of FRiends. Figures.

Indeed, dear brother in Christ!

Yet speaking as a student of cultural history, the process to which I was referring usually has involved many decades, if not centuries, before it finally culminates in some kind of human catastrophe. [Human history, like global climate, seems to have its shorter-range and longer-range cycles, too.]

What the Left Progressives think they can do is compress the required timescale for the effective inducement of such catastrophe. They think this can be done, principally by believing in three things: (1) That Rhetoric absolutely trumps Reality. That is to say, the way humans think and speak about the world can actually, really change the world of Reality. And (2) That humans can be "educated" not to think critically about anything that affects their direct well-being and the conduct of the their daily lives; the corollary being that everything God leaves up to the individual to decide and act on is best left up to the "expert class" — the State — who know better than "the masses" do. (The Progressive Left has virtually no concept of the human individual as such.) Finally (3): There is no such thing as Truth anyway. The corollary being: The Lie is your friend.

Progressives have to kill off the Christians (at least figuratively, but you never know...), because they know they are misappropriating Christian eschatological symbols, and Christians are the ones most likely strongly to OBJECT to this maneuver.

In so many words, with Christians, the End Times are all about God's Judgment — and salvific Grace — the restoration of His own to Himself, and the renewal of Creation in final consummation with Heaven itself, a sort of merger or marriage of Heaven and Earth giving birth to the New Kingdom under the eternal sovereignty of Jesus Christ Savior, Logos, Son of God....

That Progressives use Christian symbols in the manner they do is absurd, irrational; not to mention proof of their fundamental duplicity, intellectual and moral. But they do, and always seem to get away with it — probably because they have been so very effective in promulgating (2) above.

The immense difference is, with the Progressives, the Eschaton is not Christ; it's the State — to be run by them, the self-selected, power grubbing Expert Elite and their dedicated (brain-washed?) minions....

Obama reduces such insights down to "the level of the Streets." He is the consummate political thug, who seeks to rule "Alone" — with the addition, of course, of the necessary swarms of administrative enforcers he needs to implement his edicts, and punish all non-compliance with his edicts, such ne'er-do-wells instantly earning the public status of criminal offenders.

The success of this bait-and-switch routine goes straight to the heart of the culture. Maybe we could talk about that a little bit later.

We are living in Never-Neverland these days....

Obama seems to be the Red Queen....

On that happy note, must close. Just let me add my thanks for your wonderful insight, dear brother!

89 posted on 10/20/2014 12:38:18 PM PDT by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
I have made a Vow, I will never vote for another Democrat as long as I live! I do not care who they run—I will not vote for a person with a “D” behind their name. Take the pledge Now!

Absolutely! All R's. No D's. And always vote!

If a D is more qualified, all the more reason to vote against him, because, if he is elected, he will do more damage than a less-qualified D.

Even if an R is a RINO, you should still hold your nose and vote for him. This is because it matters which party controls a legislative body. Even if it took some RINO's to gain control, having control in GOP hands makes the conservatives more effective than they would be if they were in the minority. Why do you think Cruz and Palin showed up in Kansas to get the conservative vote out for Pat Roberts? Why, to wrest the gavel from Dingy Harry's filthy hands!

90 posted on 10/20/2014 12:52:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

That’s precisely what the GOPe is counting on.


91 posted on 10/20/2014 12:55:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (The "Fire Muschamp" tagline is back!)
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To: cynwoody
Even if an R is a RINO, you should still hold your nose and vote for him. This is because it matters which party controls a legislative body. Even if it took some RINO's to gain control, having control in GOP hands makes the conservatives more effective than they would be if they were in the minority. Why do you think Cruz and Palin showed up in Kansas to get the conservative vote out for Pat Roberts? Why, to wrest the gavel from Dingy Harry's filthy hands!

Agree 100%.

.Job One is to gain the Senate and to remove Harry Reid from the seat of power once and for all.

If we fail to do that, nothing else matters.

92 posted on 10/20/2014 12:58:04 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: YHAOS

True not all “R’s” are straight arrows..

BUT any “D” is not even an arrow.. or they wouldn’t even be a “D”... they are targets..

AND “L’s” are just very confused.. some are “R’s” some are “D’s”..
except they ALL want to get rid of the Federal Reserve..
thats something..


93 posted on 10/20/2014 1:39:20 PM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: dfwgator
That’s precisely what the GOPe is counting on.

You can't defeat the GOPe by electing 'Rats.

Nor by going third party. It has to be done from within the GOP.

94 posted on 10/20/2014 2:00:37 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: marron; xzins; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; Elsie
The Repubs have the chance right now to make their case but they seem to have lost faith in their own principles, and lost the will and ability to defend them.

First of all, let me thank you from my heart, dear brother in Christ, for the most judicious, prudential assessment of Candidate Romney that I have ever read.

It has been rumored Romney doesn't want to run again, in 2016 — I gather mainly according to Ann's recent public statements. Arrrggghhhh!

Like you, I found both McCain and Romney short of the requirements of office that I most desire to see in the POTUS. But they were what the GOP had on offer at the time; so I held my nose and voted for them. They lost.

It's not like the GOP owns my heart and soul in any way. [I resigned from the GOP out of sheer disgust, in 2010.]

In recent times, my voting the GOP ballot has always entailed the recognition that, in an imperfect world, sometimes a person is confronted with the problem of discriminating the lesser from the greater Evil. Which entails one ought to "vote" for the lesser evil, if only to "buy time" to arrest the momentum of gathering events, so hopefully to buy time to develop effective countermeasures against the encroaching/enveloping objectively greater Evil....

[As an aside: The Framers likely would admonish, indeed exhort us that, in times of public disorder and danger, it is the DUTY of citizens to restore the public order, by whatever means necessary.]

I am aware that, today, in diverse Christian communities there are varying understandings of the problem of Evil as it affects human spiritual and cultural realities and what the proper human response to same ought to be.

Some confessions proclaim: If Evil is purely Evil (which surely it is), then it does not come in grades; it is always positively something to be rebuked and rejected by Christians.

Under this scenario, the problem of "the lesser of two weevils" never can arise. Christians have the mandate to "vote down" Evil in any form it appears, on every occasion — even if one has to stay home on election day to do it — and all will be well with one's soul.

To me, it is completely irrational not to mention unprudential to equate all instantiations of Evil as "the same." Both a shop-lifter (who pilfered some clothing) and the Nazi guard at Auschwitz (who turned on the gas to exterminate Jews and other "undesirables") have committed acts of objective Evil. But could such disparate acts of evil ever be "equilibrated?"

I have heard that the margin of victory for Obama in the last go-round was explicable on the basis that so many formerly-GOP voters stayed home on Election Day.

Whatever. In his second term, Obama is reaping the whirlwind of Evil, and subjecting the American public — notice, mainly the American middle class so far, who are disproportionately of Caucasian heritage and Christian confession — as the first sacrificial victims to it....

Which explains why, last time out, for me, defeating Obama was Job #1.

This is not a presidential election year. So, for me, this time out, Job #1 is defeating Harry Reid — Obama's most trusted ally (after only Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett), enabler, correspondent, codependent, and facilitator of the total destruction of the U.S. Constitution.

There is no way to directly defeat Harry Reid this time out. The only way to get rid of his pernicious influence and effect is to elect a Republican Senate Majority.

In all probability, I'll be "holding my nose"*** again in the 2016 Presidential election. The GOP have become so suckered into playing futile political games with the Left Progressives that they seem unable to articulate a coherent message to the American people.

They have nothing to say, no values to propose or defend. They just want to "win" at the game of tit-for-tat — with a corrupt opposition, according to this very opposition's own terms of divide-and-conquer — which they seem to accept as "the new rules" governing political discourse which inexorably leads to the desired ideological/political "transformational change"....

[I.e., these GOP idiots seem to agree that when it comes to engaging in political dispute with an implacable enemy of everything they cherish and believe in, drawing cards for one's hand from a "stacked deck" dealt by a crooked dealer actually can work out well for their electoral success....]

At this point, I am simply filled with disgust....

[BTW, on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace of three weeks ago (IIRC), Dr. Benjamin Carson was interviewed on some timely point or other.

Inevitably, the subject turned to Dr. Carson's presidential ambitions for 2016, if any. Dr. Carson's reply thoroughly startled me. He said maybe there wouldn't even be a presidential election in 2016. Whereupon, Wallace inquired: Why do you think there wouldn't be a presidential election in 2016? To which Carson replied: "Because America might well be in a state of anarchy by then."]

At which point, total "Silence on the Set": Wallace dropped the subject like a hot potato: There was zero follow-up, then or now. I have not heard a word since about what Carson said in that Fox News interview, in any subsequent venue, ever.

This election may be our last chance to save our Constitution and our country. Not by fixing all problems instantly, perfectly; but for the buying of time needed to try to build "a more perfect Union," in liberty and justice for all God's children alike.

Thank you ever so much, dear marron, for your beautiful essay/post!

***None of the potential GOP candidate names in circulation right now has any appeal to me whatsoever. The two people I really, really like probably don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of being nominated, let alone elected president. If the GOP runs Romney again, I will be a seriously unhappy camper.... If they nominate Bush III, I would probably end up in total despair.... FWIW

But whoever the chosen one ends up being, I'll probably vote for him/her — if only as the "lesser evil."

95 posted on 10/20/2014 2:58:10 PM PDT by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
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To: xzins; marron; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; Elsie
It is a wonder that "not voting for those who violate their most deeply held beliefs" would lead to a "judgment of consequences" on this nation. It is a wonder that their numbers are great enough that they decided that election. They would consider it a wonder that they would be castigated for not voting for any candidate who violates their most deeply held religious beliefs. They would wonder how anyone could not understand why they did what they did.

The Holy Scriptures tell us that "the salt of the earth," the "saving remnant," is very small in number. Yet the Lord desires that they shall have disproportionate influence and effect, given their number.

At least, that is my reading on the matter at hand.

Complicating this problem is the fact that what ails America most right now is a cultural division. I'd define this division as between those people who love God and His Word, and those who outright despise him, who erect an "alternative reality" that, from their diminished and quite possibly psychotic point of view, would constitute an "improvement" of what God wrought in the Beginning, for a purpose more congenial to their own ideological sense of "human perfection and happiness, to be achieved by human (expert!) means."

Fundamentally, the root of the present American sociopolitical disorder is cultural. There are no political answers or "fixes" for what are inherently cultural problems. Which is probably why we have such an electoral mess on our hands.

The culture has to be "fixed" first. And, in a Christian nation, who better to do that than Christians?

The cultural divide can be drawn as the seemingly irreconcilable separation of faith and reason. In the current intellectual climate Faith is suspect at best, foolish, superstitious at worst. While Reason is the trusted and true, the very "scientific method."

Which any student of history knows is total bunk from the get-go. The ageless work of Christianity has been to reconcile faith AND reason, as two needful partners for the progress of the human intellect as such — not to mention the salvation of souls.

And I might add, all the best work ever achieved by the natural sciences has been premised on this same insight....

The folks who stayed home on election day 2012 are not "bad" people. I recognize they were acting consistently with their own sense of deep conscience, and commitment to God their Father as they understand their relation to Him.

However, it is still true (to my way of thinking anyway) that "Rome burns" because they refuse to engage in the ever-messy political "sausage-making."

We do not live in a "perfect" world. It seems to me our job as God's children — ourselves imperfect — is to try to mitigate the evil we find in our daily, ordinary lives as much as we possibly can. I call this sort of thing fidelity to God our Father, and to the Logos which is the Truth of His Creation, from First to Last.

As far as the "no place to go back to" consideration is concerned, ultimately faithful Christians always have a place "to go back to," as God may call them.

Problem is, if God expects such Christians to take hold of responsibility for the sufferings of God-endowed constitutional America, which is under full-scale attack by (I daresay) Satan and his co-conspirators, and they do nothing to resist — then what happens to them???

Thank you ever so much, dear brother in Christ, for entertaining such questions as this, and for what I imagine is a deeply meditated, sagacious, principled reply which I deeply welcome.

When you boil it all down, God knows everything; and we humans, not so very much.

96 posted on 10/20/2014 4:01:23 PM PDT by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Never have, never will.


97 posted on 10/20/2014 4:05:42 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: hosepipe
BUT any “D” is not even an arrow.. or they wouldn’t even be a “D”... they are targets..

True

AND “L’s” are just very confused.. some are “R’s” some are “D’s”..
except they ALL want to get rid of the Federal Reserve..
thats something..

Besides the Federal Reserve, all are united in wishing to be rid of Conservatives in general . . . Christians in particular.

98 posted on 10/20/2014 6:06:45 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: betty boop
America is in for a very rough patch. It may not survive (as America).
Peachy!
99 posted on 10/20/2014 6:14:01 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS
America is in for a very rough patch.

SIN is a reproach to any nation.

100 posted on 10/20/2014 7:01:12 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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