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To: Berlin_Freeper
There is no reason for you to get personal about this.

For the record I don't use alcohol and I don't use drugs but I do aspire to adhere to the Constitution. Victory for me means constitutional liberty. Victory to you evidently means putting drug abusers but not alcohol abusers (that is evidently a psychotropic drug of a different sort) in jail and calling it "victory."

I have personally witnessed the amount of drug paraphernalia that has been gathered up in a regular sweeps of local jails and I can tell you that there is virtually no limit to the amount and kinds of drugs which inmates can and do acquire. If you can't win the war on drugs in the jails, do you really believe you can win it in the streets? You have no "victory."

It is quite unfair of you to impute wrong motives to me when you describe me as a "bleeding heart liberal" who "coddles convicted criminals" and to imply that I want to "join them." Even worse, to imply that I am a "drug pusher" is not only outrageous but intellectually vapid. It is I who deplore the use of drugs as much as you, the difference is I do want to pervert our liberties and further degrade our entire society in a fruitless government effort to make you feel better.

Up until this last sentence I have entirely refrained from personal inferences. I wish you to do the same. I have advanced several substantive arguments on behalf of my position but you have said only (that is when you are not engaging in personal attacks) that they are "pseudo-intellectual word games and myopic analysis" without any specific logical or factual rebuttal.

The ad hominem is no substitute for thinking.


136 posted on 10/09/2014 3:29:21 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Your response is a lesson in both restraint, and effectiveness. What I cannot understand is how people who believe in drug prohibition can be so confident in their belief, when it is so clearly not working, and causing terrible tangential problems. As you say, where is the “victory”, or even partial victory, that can lead them to believe that revocation of prohibition would be substantially worse than the current state of affairs?

I do believe that because we no longer have a population united around a common sense of character, and one in which behavior that is clearly destructive and immoral (under any common historical use of that concept) masquerades as good, and healthy judgementalism is shunned as bad, that we no longer have a society capable of handling true freedom. As a result, I find myself unable to believe that ending prohibition would do any good. But I just cannot understand the people who look at what drug prohibition has done and not at least lose some confidence in their position.

Maybe that is why they are so quick to resort to insults.


137 posted on 10/09/2014 3:55:27 AM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: nathanbedford
You take an accurate descriptor of your position as an insult?

If that doesn't show you a disconnect from your own pro drugs position nothing else will.

In fact you are a Four Star Drug Pusher General in your "war for drugs".

A drug pusher on the street is at least on one corner. You seek to use the political system to push drugs across the whole of the United States of America.

138 posted on 10/09/2014 4:55:09 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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