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To: Mogger
I don't understand the tone of this thread, either.

IMHO, the jury's still out on Frein's motivation. From what I read, PA police do quite a bit to enrage law-abiding public.

Everyone has a breaking point. Some have other motivations. From one perspective those that history describe as 'patriots' are 'terrorists' by modern bureaucratic definition.

Regardless, trampling innocent residents' rights is unforgivable and, in fact, deserving of retribution (the definition of which is personal to those offended and the action taken unique to their willingness to fight for their rights). An 'open investigation' is not license to ignore Constitutional Rights, but the Declaration of Independence clearly outlines the peoples' right/duty to react in the face of that offense. Sam Adams wrote of this under a false name years before that was penned to the Declaration:

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.

We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence.

It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.

Of the latter we are in most danger at present: Let us therefore be aware of it. Let us contemplate our forefathers and posterity; and resolve to maintain the rights bequeath’d to us from the former, for the sake of the latter.

— Instead of sitting down satisfied with the efforts we have already made, which is the wish of our enemies, the necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance.

Let us remember that “if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom. It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event.

Samuel Adams

[Samuel Adams, Essay, written under the pseudonym “Candidus,” in The Boston Gazette (14 October 1771), later published in The Life and Public Services of Samuel Adams (1865) by William Vincent Wells, p. 425]


43 posted on 09/24/2014 9:57:13 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

IMHO, the jury’s still out on Frein’s motivation. From what I read, PA police do quite a bit to enrage law-abiding public.

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So in your extensive research about the PA police, can you share your findings that relate to Frein specifically, such that you would hold out the possibility that his motivations are pure and appropriate? Or that the specific policemen that he shot were in some way deserving of being shot?

Certainly you’d agree that a sane person would exact their retribution on those that have done him wrong, right? You certainly cannot be justifying the cold blooded murder of the cop and the grave wounding of the other based on some nebulous notion that he reached his breaking point, right?

Call him a common criminal, call him a terrorist. don’t care.

If he doesn’t get called home to his Lord, I sure hope he gets called by a number for the remainder of his life on this planet.


51 posted on 09/24/2014 11:10:39 AM PDT by dmz
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