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To: nathanbedford
Perhaps you'd like to refine your Maxim a bit upon consideration of the fall of the Soviet Empire which changed the system radically, although not perfectly and not permanently, without bloody conflict. One might also consider the devolution of the Soviet satellite states at the time.

Apples and bowling balls. With respect, I do not think you understand the nature of what is in power now in the country and the mindset and ideology of those in the highest offices in the land.

We're not dealing with civil servants that have as principle, the maintenance of a civil society. Rather, as evidenced, we are dealing with ideologues who have as an objective; the TEARING DOWN of the civil society. How can you hope such people will allow themselves to be limited in a civil manner when they control the courts and the system they have corrupted for themselves?

We're now being ruled by an ideology that sees itself as a tool of revolution and fundamental transformation. History teaches that such ideologies are responsible for atrocity and genocide in establishing themselves as the sole authority over those they subjugate.

A meddlesome tyranny for the good of the people is often the most widely accepted and often the most brutal.

Our liberties will have to be fought for if we wish to retain what is left of them and the ideology working to strip them from us, will use violence either directly or by proxy to prevent us from succeeding.

So my point is, what is your point?

We are not going to slow, stop or reverse what is happening to us via civil means. If we hang our hats on the false belief that amending the Constitution will achieve what we seek in a civil manner, we are ignorant of the power we are attempting to restrain and put a yoke back upon.

I ask again, where do you stand on Article V?

DO IT, with the full expectation that the restraints the states will pass are going to be resisted, ignored and struck down by a lawless government oligarchy if the process itself is not corrupted, usurped and thwarted.

Perhaps it will be the final evidence that wakes up enough people that we have no civil recourse left to us.

Article V should happen, perhaps with the public explanation that these Amendments will be implemented by force if necessary - and perhaps that threat might dissuade some in power from doing what I think they intend to do anyway.

116 posted on 09/21/2014 11:41:32 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
DO IT, with the full expectation that the restraints the states will pass are going to be resisted, ignored and struck down by a lawless government oligarchy...

You cannot strike down a Constitutional amendment as unconstitutional.

If one openly flouts it, such as a term limit or state appointment of new Senators, then we all must admit to a total dissolution of the entire government structure.

We cannot demand the ignoring of an Article V Constitutionally passed amendment and still demand fealty to Article I or II elites.

At that point, it all stays or it all goes, including honoring the decisions of the courts and the compelling of the payments of taxes.

That is the line that the elites must be made to know not to cross.

-PJ

172 posted on 09/22/2014 2:24:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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