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To: Lurking Libertarian

Maybe they got out of the car when they were approached by the police. Or maybe the caller gave the license number and description of the car, and it matched when the guy gave his ID. So your “no probable cause” theory isn’t holding up.

Also, if the caller described them by race, it may have been just that — a description to identify the individuals, not an intentional act of racial intimidation. The caller may have merely said, “a man and a woman”, especiallly since this is a gay-marriage state where any combination of sexes can make out, again, just a description. Then the 911 operator may have asked about their race(s) or even their clothing just to get a description.


71 posted on 09/15/2014 1:08:41 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (S.I.N. = Systematic Inversion of Norms)
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To: Albion Wilde
Maybe they got out of the car when they were approached by the police.

"Maybe" isn't probable cause.

Or maybe the caller gave the license number and description of the car, and it matched when the guy gave his ID. So your “no probable cause” theory isn’t holding up.

According to the article, all the police had was a report that a white man and a black woman had sex in a car. So, without a further description, that is not probable cause to stop any black man and white woman they happen to see in the vicinity. In fact, according to the article, the police eventually concluded that no crime had been committed by anyone.

Also, if the caller described them by race, it may have been just that — a description to identify the individuals, not an intentional act of racial intimidation.

No one is accusing the caller of racial discrimination, and I, for one, don't think the cop is guilty of racial discrimination either. But California does not have a "show your papers" law (some states do), so the cop had no right to handcuff her for refusing to show ID.

74 posted on 09/15/2014 1:55:18 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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