Posted on 09/12/2014 4:39:04 PM PDT by jazusamo
Correcting myself...The last line was supposed to read ......Notice I am NOT blaming Conservative Catholics, Conservative Black`s or Conservative Protestants etc etc
I still believe the term “ Conservative Democrat” along with the term “Christian Democrat” to both be oxymorons, but particularly the term “Christian Democrat”
I sure wish there were more in Washington like Cruz and Gowdy, hopefully they’ll start recruiting.
“...all with no fear”
They might exhibit no fear, but a level of ignorance, misguidedness and lack of sound spiritual direction accounts for a lot, among ... well in general contemporary culture. No one is immune.
I agree with your view.
Let me say this... I have heard priests in a particular parish speak about this loud and clear, on Sunday and on Christmas, to the congregation.
Also, EWTN continues to be the voice of the Church.
The clergy needs prayers.
It is my opinion or my theory that many were raised in households that were so loyal to the democrats blocking out the reality of abortion.
I guarantee that any given 83 year old Catholic woman who hated Reagan has no hint that half of her daughters were promiscuous, let alone had abortions.
Ditto their sons, the priests, regarding the truth of abortions in their midst.
There is a lot of ignorance out there.
and the scarcity of confession is part of it.
Cruz does not support amnesty.
However, those who like Cruz had better buckle their seatbelts.
Any such unsourced accusation will be flying over the next couple of years.
If anyone had anything on Cruz he’d have been toast by now.
No. He does not support amnesty.
Ijut
You’re not on the email list, then?
I posted this months ago here
Yep, good article...Megyn Kelly chewed up Ireland and spit her out, Ireland was definitely outclassed.
Thanks for being kind in your response!
Look at how the Kennedy`s are looked up to so much by many Catholics.
All I know is that there have been many elections since 1972 were people had a chance to hear the debate on abortion etc, they made their choices, the weeping pro life protesters, begging and pleading for help for the children, did not phase them at all.
I blame the “liberal Christians” (imho the term is a oxymoron) but anyway I blame the groups I mentioned liberal Catholics,liberal Protestants, and the ALL black church
When I flip the dial on a Sunday and see a ALL black congregation with their arms in the air saying they love Jesus, I cant get past the fact that they are supporting all the things that my Bible is against
Anyway that`s just me
Yep. And the Kennedy worship, oy.
We are warned, in the Catholic Church, that when we Catholics go against what we are bound to do by tenet, that is go to confession regularly ( x per yr minimum pope JPII went daily, so...) that our conscience becomes dead.
Don’t know what others are supposed to do for that, but a dead conscience can make for fearless bad decision making, screwy philosophy
We’re not expected to be perfect just to strive for it
In a way.
It just explains the behaviors to some degree
I don't believe the church follows up on the excommunication thing......I know catholics who've had abortions and think nothing of continuing with the church. They have no concerns over being excommunicated.
Nancy Pelosi and others like her actually promotes abortion yet she continues with her church.
The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which has already been brought, in other words, a sentence or judgment which does not need a future additional judgment from someone in authority; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred ‘by the very commission of the offense,’ (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.
Alright, and please forgive my blunt tone, what you non or anti Catholics seem to enjoy leaving out is a lot
I’ll respond but it’s a ton more than I allow my high school English class when they do or don’t read about or on what they’re opining, as you are doing here
In the Catholic Church, excommunication, As it states here in what I’ve cited, as you can easily see but turn a blind eye to or are too cynical to abide, excommunication has absolutely nothing to do with the community It only has to do with final judgment
In other words, Catholics hold that God’s grace is powerful, and attainable by remaining as far as humanly possible, in God’s will.
When one does that, by simply receiving and practicing the sacraments as laid out by the tenets of the church and as idiot proof and devoid of economic state as anything else on earth, one remains in that grace which affords them wisdom necessary to stay in grace
Therefore, all ideas and direction about how to stay in God’s grace and spiritual protection are available to those who practice the faith as taught in communion class in second grade. And btw teaching such a class or confirmation class is highly advisable to stay current
And this applies to Catholics only, and others to their own outlines of faith, when we meet God, as much, in our utopian world we think we won’t if we don’t wanna, we have to explain a lot, as much as we think He has to explain to us, but a lot more
We have to explain how we contributed to and or helped stop the culture of death that Pope John Paul II called this mess
All bishops, clergy and other religious, including our parents, aunts, uncles and elders are not in that session with us a la some smoochy squishy maw counseling session
That is the very nature of Free Will.
Those authority figures will each have their own judgment day, and as authority figures it will be grueling
When it comes to calling ourselves Catholic and not adhering to the tenets much less, the teachings of the church, there will be no excuse. The rules are set in stone and are taught in second grade. We are taught tgen that people are not perfect and that clergy are people
We are on our own with the catechism and the sacraments
And the grave of God IF we ask for it
Any Catholic who pretends to not know that they cannot
receive communion in the state if mortal sin is lying through their teeth
And when they point at other human flawed humans for an excuse, it’s an excuse. Not even worthy of a minute of the dog ate my homework style sixth grade BS
Read the canon
Excommunication happens for anyone in the state of mortal sin
ANY 8 year old Catholic kid knows that
If you think the tribunal court has to come out for every sin, you don’t know much about God’s Judgment
We are judged not by men but by God, according to what we know
This isn’t for you, who won’t take the time of day to read about on what you are so snarky, but for others and just for the record
Excommunication refers to Catholics in the state of mortal sin, compounding the sin by receiving the Body and Blood of Christ in that state.
We simply are not allowed to run around saying ‘he told me it was ok’
No matter who it was
Catholic Excommunication....
Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being ‘the most serious penalty’ that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence..... status before the Church is that of a stranger..... He may NOT participate in public worship nor receive the Body of Christ or any of the sacraments.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm
....”Since abortion is the purposeful murder of an innocent, unborn child, the Church indeed imposes the most severe penalty of excommunication for this heinous action. A person who successfully procures an abortion receives this penalty automatically (Code of Canon Law, #1398)...... the penalty here is automatic (technically termed latae sententia).”.....
The way the excommunication for abortion works is this.
Canon 1398 provides that, “a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication.” This means that at the very moment that the abortion is successfully accomplished, the woman and all formal conspirators are excommunicated.
An abortion is defined as “the killing of the foetus, in whatever way or at whatever time from the moment of conception” (Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, published in the “Acts of the Apostolic See” vol. 80 (1988), 1818). This definition applies to any means, including drugs, by which a human being present in the woman is killed. Thus, once a woman knows she is pregnant the intentional killing of the new life within her is not only murder but an excommunicable offense. A woman who only thinks she might be pregnant has a grave responsibility to find out and to protect the possible life within. Any action to end a “possible” pregnancy while probably not an excommunicable offense would be callous disregard for life and gravely sinful.
Conspirators who incur the excommunication can be defined as those who make access to the abortion possible. This certainly includes doctors and nurses who actually do it, husbands, family and others whose counsel and encouragement made it morally possible for the woman, and those whose direct practical support made it possible (financially, driving to the clinic etc.).
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/abortio2.htm
Are you arguing with me? Using ewtn?
I already stated even in this thread that rent has good standing w church teaching
I sense a manipulative agenda. I have no argument with anything in their statement.
Care to point out where you think I do?
New advent is a pre Vatican II document. Is that your
Agenda? Some paranoid rant against the second vat council?
The argument in case you want to recall is the one you brought up
Whatever it was.
Something about how priests are supposed to do something
Yeah, even your pre Vatican II document supports my point, which , of course it would
Don’t go to communion in the state of mortal sin
Any Catholic will tell you the penalty is hel
Your responses are all over the map.....Arguing with you? ..and all the other assumptions you’ve made since my first post....
Your posts reflect you’re unnecessarily on the defensive...but then that too does seem to fit certain catholics 24/7. So those who aren’t catholic learn to expect it.... Everybody who doesn’t agree, and even agrees, is a hater or anti-catholic....and most catholics sure don’t say or do anything otherwise to change the equation played and re-played time and again.
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