Posted on 09/11/2014 11:23:51 PM PDT by DouglasKC
THE Ebola epidemic in West Africa has the potential to alter history as much as any plague has ever done.
There have been more than 4,300 cases and 2,300 deaths over the past six months. Last week, the World Health Organization warned that, by early October, there may be thousands of new cases per week in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria. What is not getting said publicly, despite briefings and discussions in the inner circles of the worlds public health agencies, is that we are in totally uncharted waters and that Mother Nature is the only force in charge of the crisis at this time.
There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.
The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africas population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums. What happens when an infected person yet to become ill travels by plane to Lagos, Nairobi, Kinshasa or Mogadishu or even Karachi, Jakarta, Mexico City or Dhaka?
The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air. You can now get Ebola only through direct contact with bodily fluids. But viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola viruss hyper-evolution is unprecedented...
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
You clearly don't even bother to comprehend what I am writing.
There are no clear boundaries between MSF and the CDC. Therefore, it makes no sense to ask how many CDC vs. how many MSF personnel there are in the various quarentine and isolation wards.
Further, there are no 'MSF' protocols. There are no 'CDC' protocols, for that matter. There are universally-accepted safe practices that both organizations follow.
You seem to be very attached to remaining ignorant, even after I instruct. Ergo, I will move on. Have fun flipping out! :)
So the ‘theater’ of an infectious ebola ward full of symptomatic patients doing what symptomatic patients do with this disease is somehow different if it’s in the US vs. Africa?
Because ebola has a map and knows zipcodes?
Because symptomatic patients who puke, poop, faint, drool and otherwise expel ebola tainted fluids are somehow LESS dangerous and ONLY require ‘mask, gown and gloves’, but someone merely working with a vial of ebola in a lab somewhere is MUCH more at risk and justifies a BHL4 lab with a negative pressure suit.
Right?
Wow.
Just, wow.
I think the biggest disease potential on this thread is Diarrhea Mouth. LOL
I'm out.
I do absolutely comprehand what you’re writing.
That the MSF CDC ‘collaboration’ is so good that MSF has apparently given the CDC regulations the finger and gone above and beyond those in order to keep their own people safe.
I will ‘believe’ CDC protocols are sufficient when I see MSF people who work in the isolation wards doff the goggles, facemasks and a layer of protection.
Unless you want me to believe that MSF higherups somehow make money on all those extra layers of protection and are invested in companies that produce them?
If may be so bold to try to squeeze in one more silly message:
Is a hypochondriac more prone to Ebola?
I remember when AIDS first showed up and it was said to be a a disease of the Three H’s (homosexuals, heroin users and hemophiliacs). I often thought that should be Four H’s - to include hypochondriacs.
You’re the very one that said the level of protection depended on the ‘theater’.
I asked how a ward of ebola patients here was different from a ward of ebola patients there.
Because for here the cdc is saying ‘mask, gown and gloves’ is sufficient.
And clearly, from the MSF protocols, those are insufficient there.
How are ebola patients here different from ebola patients there?
I wouldn't count on that. I think that's just wishful thinking t this point.
Not only *can* it, but it will.
Cities will not be safe.
Absolutely NOT. In fact, I am beginning to wonder if you are a little developmentally-disabled.
That the MSF CDC collaboration is so good that MSF has apparently given the CDC regulations the finger and gone above and beyond those in order to keep their own people safe.
One.
More.
Freakin.
Time.
Because.
You.
Are.
Rock-Stupid.
THERE ARE NO CDC PROTOCOLS. THERE ARE NO MSF PROTOCOLS.
THERE ARE ONLY UNIVERSALLY-ACCEPTED PROTOCOLS THAT BOTH ORGANIZATIONS USE.
Jeez.
Go educate yourself what the word means when related to infectious disease medicine.
And even worse the initial symptoms of Ebola are similar to the flu. How many people will be misdiagnosed initially?
Flatulence may explain how bacteria can get from the colon of operating room personnel into the open wound of a surgery patient.
Who is the smart feller and who is the fart smeller?
I don't know why not? ... The only differences I see between big swaths of the US and Africa are a few hippos and giraffes.
I was referring to Laz’s use of ‘panicking’.
By the way, there is a new thread you might find very interesting.
Liberia: Somebody Had to Do It: Turning People Away [Ebola]
MSF.ORG ^ | 9/12/14 | msf
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3203381/posts
So... what you are saying is that having adequate knowledge of the situation, and being prepared, is the proper response.
I have not advocated panicking, I think that ‘knowing’ as much as possible about the virus and it’s infection methods is of primary concern.
We agree. Others who accuse me of panicking are merely trying to ‘attack me’ as a way of defending their ignorance of the matter.
I, like you, have tried to give out information to others, and been criticized for doing so. They tell us we are wrong, yet they provide no proof.
So... I stick with my guns... BE PREPARED. WE CAN keep this from becoming an ‘outbreak’. The question is WILL WE ?
AND THAT's why I think the more info you have, the better prepared you are. Apparently the CDC has lost their mind.
How are ebola patients here different from ebola patients there?
They aren't. That's why your statement about the CDC saying you don't need as much protection 'here' seems insane.
Maybe the CDC is concerned about the 'optics' of wearing three layers of bio-hazard suits. It might give the public the idea that we are dealing with a very dangerous virus.
Looks like WAY more than ‘mask, gloves and gown’ in that photo. If those are all that’s needed, why are they wasting all that money with extra protective gear? /s
Thank you.
It is becoming more and more rare that posters actually look something up with a search engine and find out that I’m not just making this stuff up.
First, thanks for posting that link. Everyone should read it.
Second, oh.... I just noticed your /s.
So.... never mind the second.
That’s a mockup of an ebola patient coming into the facility. They’re not even using ‘mask, gown and gloves’ only with the mock patient.
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