Posted on 09/01/2014 8:04:33 AM PDT by Hojczyk
Russia would have triumphed over the world order imposed by the West after the Soviet Union lost the Cold War. This would mean the destruction of American geopolitical deterrence. America’s enemies, from China to Iran, would see this as an invitation to establish their own spheres of influence amid the wreckage.
Russia would not stop there. Mr. Putin wants to undermine NATO, and the smell of weakness would tempt him further. It would be merely a matter of time before Moscow exploited the Russians in the Baltic States to manufacture new “frozen conflicts.” Poland would feel compelled to act as though NATO did not exist, creating a defensive military alliance of its own with the Baltics; it might even establish a buffer zone in western Ukraine.
There is no easy way out now. But we must not let thousands of Ukrainians die because we dithered. We must be honest with them if we are not willing to fight a new Cold War with Russia over Ukrainians’ independence. But if we force Ukraine to surrender, rather than sacrifice lives in a fight for which we have no stomach, then we must accept that it is a surrender, too, for NATO, for Europe and liberal democracy, and for American global leadership. That is the choice before us.
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Pretty good. Fourteen aircraft carriers were commissioned in 1943.
Mad Vlad Putin described former Soviet satellite countries as fake countries that are really just a part of Russia.
The man is going to start WW3
His people openly talk about making space between LISBON and VLADIVOSTOK
Cool, thanks. Decades ago I remember reading a NYT article about the ‘problem’ they were having in actually slowing production of hardware (either 44 or 45)...I could not BELIEVE the production numbers, it was incredible. We could lose 100 planes over Europe and still come out ahead for that day.
And countries found they could build planes more quickly and in greater numbers
than they could train the pilots to fly them.
If that’s the case WHY did Putt King help overthrow their government???
Just remember there were/are very many Pro-Russians in Ukraine as well !!!
Merkel is said to be born in “East-Germany” and speaks fluently Russian, and I believe Putin speaks German. Still NWO is the key!!!
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And WHO told you that???
Kool-Aid drunk!!!
Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts were about 30% pro Russian. That of course doesn't legitimize an annexation by force by Russia.
Putin called them fake countries that are all really part of Russia. Those were his words and that is not in dispute.
#Lavrov: We discussed the initiative of our President about creating space from Lisbon to Vladivostok
Lavrov, you know just some dude.... who is the Russian Foreign Minister
Author states that even if the West forced a Ukrainian (surrender) with partition, a conflict with Putin would be inevitable.
“Russia would not stop there. Mr. Putin wants to undermine NATO, and the smell of weakness would tempt him further. It would be merely a matter of time before Moscow exploited the Russians in the Baltic States to manufacture new “frozen conflicts.”
Merkel (or her successor) is now being presented with the chance to demolish the NWO AND benefit Germany at the same time.
Let’s see how she handles it.
I think you're still fighting the Cold War, Senator McCarthy. As you correctly stated, the "Soviet EVIL EMPIRE... no longer exists." Afghanistan does indeed border three former SSRs, though they were the distant frontiers of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan and a safe 2,000 miles from Moscow. Donetsk is near the heart of Russia and only 500 miles south of Moscow -- about the same distance as from Atlanta to Washington, DC. Why is NATO meddling there?
President Buckwheat and his leftist ghouls have been busy trying to turn America into a fascist oligarchy.
You can repeat it until the cows come home, but that still won't make it true. Of course Ukraine is "not a threat to invade Russia" but its possible alliance with NATO would pose an unacceptable threat to Russia's defense in the event of war against NATO. Great powers -- the USA and Russia included -- don't quibble over right and wrong in matters of their strategic defense, and bordering countries either cooperate or get stepped on. That isn't fair, it isn't nice and it isn't pretty, but that's just the way it is.
Just consider the Monroe Doctrine that the United States has rigidly enforced since 1823... It has been our policy that any intervention by outside powers in the politics of the Americas is considered a hostile act against the United States itself. The doctrine was expanded at the turn of the 20th Century to justify US intervention throughout Latin America as we saw fit. Was there any justification for that? How much differently is Putin behaving in Ukraine today than Presidents Monroe, Tyler, Polk, Johnson, Cleveland, TRoosevelt and Kennedy did when they threatened or actually enforced the Monroe Doctrine throughout our hemisphere? Not a single one of these examples is pretty to look at, but asserting strategic self interest is what great powers do or else they die.
I don't think Russia is asking for anyone's permission to dominate Ukraine; more importantly, I don't think anyone is in any position to deny Russia's dominance of Ukraine. The United States is certainly not going to war against Russia over Ukraine, so what we are left with is an academic exercise. If we aren't willing to commit blood and steel, our words are meaningless. That has been my point since Putin reacted to the Kiev coup back in February.
You can repeat it until the cows come home, but that still won't make it true. Of course Ukraine is "not a threat to invade Russia" but its possible alliance with NATO would pose an unacceptable threat to Russia's defense in the event of war against NATO.
Your response keeps ignoring what I said.
I said that Ukraine was NOT seeking to become a member of NATO. The people didn't want to be part of NATO. Not one Ukrainian president wanted to become part of NATO. This has been well documented over the last several years.
Yet you ignore that and you keep saying that Ukraine was a threat because they wanted to become a part of NATO.
Your claim is false.
And there is no justification for Russia's invasion. None!
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