Posted on 08/31/2014 4:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop
President Putin has called for talks to discuss "statehood" for eastern Ukraine, Russian media report.
He said the issue needed to be discussed to ensure the interests of local people "are definitely upheld".
His comments came after the EU gave Russian a one-week ultimatum to reverse course in Ukraine or face sanctions.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
As opposed to jumping when Obama says jump.
Which is another way of saying we can have economic strength without economic liberty.
Did Vietnam help or hurt the American economy?
I recommend "Masters of Deceit" by J. Edgar Hoover, "I led 3 Lives: Citizen, Communist, Counterspy" by Herbert Philbrick, New Lies for Old and Perestroika Deception by Anatoliy Golitsyn (two different books), J.R. Nyquist's Origins of the Fourth World War, Red Cocaine by Joseph Douglas, We Will Bury You by Jan Sejna, Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War by Joseph Douglass again, Red Horizons by Ion Pacepa, and, of course, anything by Trevour Loudon.
There was a reason why Anti-Communists acted like there might be a communist behind every bush. Because, if you actually looked, you'd actually find a Russkie communist there.
However you are falsely equating interventionism and republican free market capitalism (the opposite of liberal socialism).
You are falsely imposing upon me your definition of the word "interventionism." Fighting the Russians doesn't mean nation building in Afghanistan. Fighting the Russians doesn't mean launching the Nukes tomorrow either, to reanswer your nuclear war thing from earlier. Fighting the Russians means preparing for war, and using smart strategy to undermine Russian and Chinese objectives in the world, as well as undermining their country from within. And, of course, being able to fight the Russians in a world war proper if they finally decide to launch it.
This is not a war we want. It is a war that the enemy intends to give us, whether we like it or not. Dismissing the threat of Russian aggression is simply stupidity. There is no reason for it.
If the politicians had let the military planners run Vietnam do you think we would have won?
Yes, of course. And we were even winning in the end, killing them many times over, compared to what they did to us, which was greatly exaggerated by the media due to Communist meddling.
As our tanks were rolling into the presidential palace [in South Vietnam], if America had conducted just one more air strike we would have thrown in the towel, Giap admitted. And thank god they didnt, Giap added, because, let me tell you, that tank was running on fumes. Read more: http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/10/vietnam-war-winning/#ixzz3C17lnCNI
As I suggested to rudeboy, we destroyed our economy. So all we needed to do to win in Vietnam is take out a few more villages? Or perhaps install a better dictator? Your vision of the world is unremarkably narrow. You are a military utopian who does not understand the complexities and risks of war. Furthermore you do not understand that choosing your wars carefully to result in economic benefit is the best course when forced into war. Thus with the "plan" described by TailgunnerJoe, we will "destroy" Putin while the Chinese destroy us. Do you agree with Tailgunner Joe?
If you knew him so well, why didn't you say "Stop" when he personally signed that letter of Commendation and Appreciation that's in my service record?
Or could it be you don't have a clue what Reagan thought?
I agree with all of that.
Suggested? Why not proved?
So all we needed to do to win in Vietnam is take out a few more villages?
Was the United States wiping out villages filled with civilians for no military purpose?
Or perhaps install a better dictator?
Who says they would be replaced by a dictator? And what's wrong with an anti-Communist dictator? I much prefer them over Pro-Communist dictators, in the end.
If the United States was half as Machiavellian as the Russkies, the world would indeed be a better place.
Reagan didn’t suck-up to the Russians, and he didn’t have to use his military service as a shield to criticism.
All of the Godless Communists in Ukraine are on Russia's side.
I'm not a Keynesian, if you're asking. I was responding to your use of the word "isolationism," which unfortunately is a code word for, "more government."
Did you even read anything I posted...or did you just notice somebody calling me a collaborator and decide to jump in?
No, I remember a post from a few days back where you called the E. Ukrainians “usually sane” (or something), and mocked the W. Ukrainians for wanting “freedom.”
Perhaps. But we were talking about war and we were half as Machiavellian as the communists (the Soviets in the past, Chinese in the present), the world would have been better off without our entrance, escalation and loss in Vietnam. Machiavelli believed war to be an extension of international politics and the politics of the Cold War. The domino theory is not a very sound theory but it gets trotted out fairly often.
I read a bit of Loudon and looked up RT.COM and Loudon is correct, it is just propaganda which is answered well here: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/can-the-su-25-intercept-and-shoot-down-a-777/
AFAIK, isolationism means less government.
Until you get into the tricky part of telling me where to travel, and whom to do business with . . . .
Agreed, in fact, I'm not sure if "isolationism" would even be relevant to the discussion of big government/small government except in that less foreign intervention would mean less use of government resources.
Before Iraq, wars were things the Democrats always got into for the most part, Vietnam, Korea and so on. And Gulf War I conceivably was justified but I remember Conservatives who certainly didn't want to even go to that.
I think it is clear which one of us understand what Reagan’s policy would be regarding Russia today, and it is not you.
Kremlin - A fake YouTube page has appeared in recent days, using the official Ukraine Today logo but featuring Russian-language anti-Ukrainian video content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6H-yTgREg
“Whom in whose right mind would want a war? putin”
Obama, I would guess.
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