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Gov. Perry stripped of his right to conceal carry and buy ammo
Rare ^ | 8-20-14 | Ken Herman (Austin American Statesman)

Posted on 08/20/2014 1:00:47 PM PDT by smokingfrog

For those of you who’ve been sleeping since it happened Friday, Travis County grand jurors indicted Perry on charges of abuse of official capacity and coercion of a public servant. The first count carries a possible prison term of five to 99 years. The second, two to 10. I’m no expert on law or math, but I believe those potential sentences each exceed one year.

And there’s more. As an indictee, Perry’s state-issued Concealed Handgun License, assuming he still has one — his office didn’t know as of Tuesday afternoon — will be suspended until the case against him is decided. (Cue the cheering coyotes.)

The indictment’s impact on Perry’s gun rights was brought to my attention by a former Democratic state legislator who seemed happy to point it out.

“I’m surprised that you haven’t analyzed the most significant and immediate impact of the governor’s indictment,” ex-state Sen. Steve Carriker, D-Roby, told me in an email including the applicable federal law.

Carriker also was most helpful in providing the official federal “Firearms Transaction Record Part 1” form, which must be filled in by firearms purchasers. Question 11b asks “Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?” (An information is a formal accusation of a crime by a prosecutor.)

For Perry that’s now a big ol’ yes. And yes means no new guns or ammo.

(Excerpt) Read more at rare.us ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; form4473; gunrights; perry; rickperry
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To: Lazamataz

“Actually, it’s not just new firearms. In theory, he must surrender the ones he has. He is considered a ‘Prohibited Person’.”

Nope he can keep and ee acqire all the new guns he wants. The ONLY thing he cant do is concealed carry.

He could even still apply for a class III weapons permmit for a full auto or a supressor. Probably wouldn’t be approved but he can still apply for it.


21 posted on 08/20/2014 1:08:23 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Apparently he doesn’t need to be.


22 posted on 08/20/2014 1:09:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Syntyr

Sorry, yes, a quick scan of the laws shows you are correct.


23 posted on 08/20/2014 1:10:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Syntyr
He is not restricted from buying guns,...

He is not going to be able to answer no to question 11b on the ATF 4473.

https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

24 posted on 08/20/2014 1:10:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: smokingfrog

gun regulation, registration, licensing, taxation, screening, applications, and so forth are all ILLEGAL under our Bill of Rights, US Constitution
...’the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”

maybe the good Governor will stand up for all Americans and our system of justice, and refuse to comply with any illegal orders regarding his arms, right to bear/carry, etc.

This will be a wonderful positive result to what appears to be another miscarriage of our justice system, his phoney-looking indictment

it could lead to the complete and final destruction of all the illegal typranny (at least insofar as violations of our Second Amendment rights are concerned.... the Founders couldn’t have been clearer about our right to keep and bear arms)

we need to push back to restore our First and Fourth and Fifth amendment rights, too

maybe some folks who know the Governor can please communicate some thoughts along these lines to him?
he can wind up a national hero...helping us all..if he’s willing to do it


25 posted on 08/20/2014 1:10:27 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t think that’s true unless he’s been indicted for domestic abuse, has a restraining order against him or something like that.


26 posted on 08/20/2014 1:10:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Syntyr
The ONLY thing no longer do is concealed carry.

But why? Simply because of an accusation that has yet to be proven true? Even a person who is busted for DUI keeps their license until convicted in court (which takes a some time to move through the "system".

Is it Texas law that you cannot conceal carry because you have been charged with something not yet proven and not yet convicted for?

27 posted on 08/20/2014 1:10:54 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Texas has some of the most bass-ackwards firearms laws in the country.

How is this in any way related to a Texas Gun law?

28 posted on 08/20/2014 1:11:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Te attack on Perry is because of Second Amendment, to strip him of his gun rights....it’s their way of saying they are going to do that to all conservatives given the chance.


29 posted on 08/20/2014 1:12:18 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: thackney

“He is not going to be able to answer no to question 11b on the ATF 4473.”
DOOOOHHHH

Forgot that one! You are correct!

But he doesnt have to turn in his weapons.


30 posted on 08/20/2014 1:12:31 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: lormand

Don’t worry ‘his people” will protect him and his dog.


31 posted on 08/20/2014 1:12:40 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Lazamataz

Is this a Texas thing with the BATF?
I was accused of all sorts of things during my divorce (from drug dealing to spousal abuse to terror-istic threats) and never once did my concealed carry get suspended or otherwise come into question. I’m scratching my head over this as it just do not make sense. Cart before the horse type thing.

/I was innocent of everything I might add; just to keep my good screen name clean. ;)


32 posted on 08/20/2014 1:13:51 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: smokingfrog

he does have armed guards, and they can get all the ammo they need


33 posted on 08/20/2014 1:14:15 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: smokingfrog

OK, so I didn’t read the article. But how is the heck can a person be deprived of their rights BEFORE they are convicted of anything?


34 posted on 08/20/2014 1:14:39 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: smokingfrog
For Perry that’s now a big ol’ yes. And yes means no new guns or ammo.

No it doesn't. Simply because he answers 'yes' to that question does not mean he will be denied the purchase of ammo or firearms. It's possibly and even likely but it's not a slam dunk.

I had some black marks on my record when I applied for a concealed carry permit but was approved anyway. You just never know.

35 posted on 08/20/2014 1:15:06 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (It is through will alone that I set my mind in motion.)
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To: cripplecreek

Aren’t you only a felon if you are tried,sentenced and convicted? Otherwise, simply by having an indictment like this one, you could brand anyone you wished as a ‘felon’, particularly in the middle of a political campaign.


36 posted on 08/20/2014 1:15:25 PM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: smokingfrog

Seems to me that the Division of Texas Rangers reports to and provides security for the governor.


37 posted on 08/20/2014 1:16:17 PM PDT by glock rocks (In DC, nobody can hear you scream)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorry, I was focused on the ATF stuff. The conceal carry issue is definitely Texas Law.

http://www.stateoftexaschl.com/chl-faqs/texaschl-eligibility/


38 posted on 08/20/2014 1:16:46 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s Travis county. Home off all the libs that live in Texas besides the few in the Dallas.


39 posted on 08/20/2014 1:19:02 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: miss marmelstein

“This is disgusting. I’ve been told over and over again that Texas is the greatest state in the union so how can this possibly happen? I’m serious!”

Cue the theme song from “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas:”

“Texas has a $hitthouse in it” (and it’s Austin)


40 posted on 08/20/2014 1:21:10 PM PDT by vette6387
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